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From Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Date Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:41:47 GMT
Hey Nick,

attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could you
share it via link?

Looking forward to see your ideas :)

Cheers

Andy

On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <linicks@gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>   I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this discussion
> forward (see attached pdf).  The main idea is to get away from the couch
> with the human figure on it, and go with a top view of a circular, or
> conversation couch as we call them in the U.S.  I tried to stay true to the
> current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation.  Of course
> this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Nick Pavlica
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as it's not
>> a developer-related issue.
>>
>> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
>> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol, please post
>> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official announcement
>> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
>>
>> -Joan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Wenk" <andywenk@apache.org>
>> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>>
>> Jan,
>>
>> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as well
>>
>> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was not
>> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but am
>> still -1 in changing the name
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded
>> MUAs
>> > :/
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I was replying to this thread:
>> > >
>> > > Andy:
>> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my
>> whatever
>> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a
>> > rename
>> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> > >
>> > > Noah:
>> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> > >
>> > > Andy:
>> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the
>> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who
>> > think
>> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the
>> name
>> > and
>> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
>> > >
>> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best
>> > >> Jan
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> No, because of the name.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
shows no
>> signs
>> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
>> coming up
>> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Best
>> > >>>> Jan
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org>
wrote:
>> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase,
basically.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because
I clearly see
>> > the
>> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people
on the ML
>> > who think
>> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer
to keep
>> the
>> > name and
>> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0.
But before I give my
>> > whatever
>> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages
you expect to get
>> > with a
>> > >>>>>>> rename
>> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative
aspects ...
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <jason.h.smith@gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing.
Just stake out an
>> > arbitrary
>> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous
IP.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming
names):
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>  Eight Ball
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more
eight ball!
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has
lots of problems. But
>> it
>> > is worth
>> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is
the best time to do
>> it,
>> > if it
>> > >>>>>>> is to
>> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah
Slater <
>> > nslater@apache.org>
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB
for a while now. (cf.
>> > Max
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes
<
>> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name.
It's already "cooked"
>> into
>> > >>>>>>>>> everything
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There
are links (and hard copy
>> > >>>>>>> references)
>> > >>>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all
over the place. How long do
>> > you
>> > >>>>>>> want
>> > >>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>>>>>> be
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP
entries to forward users from
>> > the
>> > >>>>>>>>> current
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick
for new ones?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see
a new logo however. And
>> the
>> > last
>> > >>>>>>>>> time I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors
than just red or
>> blue....
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad
Noble" <bradn@us.ibm.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details
for Jason Smith ---10/30/2014
>> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at
12:52 AM, Noah Slater
>> > <nslater@apache
>> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26
AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at
>> > 12:52 AM,
>> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <nslater@apache.org>
wrote: > Blue is nice. :) But
>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <jason.h.smith@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
<dev@couchdb.apache.org>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved
CouchDB logo
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52
AM, Noah Slater <
>> > nslater@apache.org>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then
that tempts me to change the
>> name
>> > too.
>> > >>>>>>> I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going
to do this, now is the time.
>> It's
>> > >>>>>>>>> important
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we
have a very STRONG brand, and
>> > changing it
>> > >>>>>>> in
>> > >>>>>>>>> a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the
name!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems
scary. But once it's done we
>> > will
>> > >>>>>>> all
>> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the
question is, how much of that
>> > strength
>> > >>>>>>>>> can
>> > >>>>>>>>>> we
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly
all of it, plus we will get
>> tons
>> > of
>> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name
change. And as if that already
>> > isn't
>> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk
away from a ton of branding
>> > baggage and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452
B65D 6BE3 9ED3
>> 9588
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> > >>>>>> RockIt!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D
6BE3 9ED3
>> 9588
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Noah Slater
>> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Noah Slater
>> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Noah Slater
>> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andy Wenk
>> Hamburg - Germany
>> RockIt!
>>
>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>
>>  https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>
>
>


-- 
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!

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