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From Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Date Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:09:24 GMT
Jan,

thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as well

@Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was not
really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but am
still -1 in changing the name

Cheers

Andy

On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:

> Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded MUAs
> :/
>
>
> > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I was replying to this thread:
> >
> > Andy:
> >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my whatever
> > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a
> rename
> > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >
> > Noah:
> >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >
> > Andy:
> >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the
> > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who
> think
> > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the name
> and
> > clarify the situation as often as possible
> >
> > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
> >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Jan
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, because of the name.
> >>>
> >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no
signs
> >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly coming
up
> >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >>>> Jan
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
see
> the
> >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
ML
> who think
> >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
the
> name and
> >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before
I give my
> whatever
> >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
to get
> with a
> >>>>>>> rename
> >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects
...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <jason.h.smith@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just
stake out an
> arbitrary
> >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Eight Ball
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems.
But it
> is worth
> >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best
time to do it,
> if it
> >>>>>>> is to
> >>>>>>>>> be done.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
> nslater@apache.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for
a while now. (cf.
> Max
> >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
> kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's
already "cooked" into
> >>>>>>>>> everything
> >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links
(and hard copy
> >>>>>>> references)
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the
place. How long do
> you
> >>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to
forward users from
> the
> >>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new
ones?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new
logo however. And the
> last
> >>>>>>>>> time I
> >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than
just red or blue....
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <bradn@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason
Smith ---10/30/2014
> >>>>>>> 04:40:26
> >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM,
Noah Slater
> <nslater@apache
> >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On
Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at
> 12:52 AM,
> >>>>>>>>> Noah
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> Blue is nice. :) But the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <jason.h.smith@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <dev@couchdb.apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB
logo
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah
Slater <
> nslater@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts
me to change the name
> too.
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do
this, now is the time. It's
> >>>>>>>>> important
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very
STRONG brand, and
> changing it
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary.
But once it's done we
> will
> >>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question
is, how much of that
> strength
> >>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it,
plus we will get tons
> of
> >>>>>>>>>> attention
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change.
And as if that already
> isn't
> >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from
a ton of branding
> baggage and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >>>>>>>> RockIt!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D
6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >>>>>> RockIt!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3
9588
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Noah Slater
> >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Noah Slater
> >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>


-- 
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!

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