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From Jan Lehnardt <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Date Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:34:36 GMT

> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no signs
> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly coming up
> on social media, in person, and so on.

Because of the logo? I hardly think so.

Best
Jan
--


> 
> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>>> 
>> 
>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the
>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who think
>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the name and
>> clarify the situation as often as possible
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my whatever
>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a
>>> rename
>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>>>> 
>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <jason.h.smith@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out an arbitrary
>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Eight Ball
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
>>>>> 
>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But it is worth
>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do it, if it
>>> is to
>>>>> be done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. (cf. Max
>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked" into
>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard copy
>>> references)
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long do
you
>>> want
>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users from
the
>>>>> current
>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And the
last
>>>>> time I
>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or blue....
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Kevin
>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <bradn@us.ibm.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith ---10/30/2014
>>> 04:40:26
>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache
>>>>>> ]Jason
>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at
12:52 AM,
>>>>> Noah
>>>>>>>> Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
:) But the
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <jason.h.smith@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <dev@couchdb.apache.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the
name too.
>>> I
>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time.
It's
>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and
changing it
>>> in
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done
we will
>>> all
>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of that
strength
>>>>> can
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get tons
of
>>>>>> attention
>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that already
isn't
>>>>>> enough, we
>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding baggage
and
>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Change the name!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Noah Slater
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Andy Wenk
>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>>>> RockIt!
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Noah Slater
>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Andy Wenk
>> Hamburg - Germany
>> RockIt!
>> 
>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>> 
>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater


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