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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:36:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org>
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Code of conduct - edit of the point 2
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Also, I'd just like to point out that the CoC is not being voted on at the
same time as the Bylaws. However, that vote will be called immediately after
the bylaws are passed, so this discussion is timely. Just making clear that
a +1 vote on the Bylaws has no bearing on your vote for the CoC.

-Joan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Touzet" <wohali@apache.org>
To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:30:28 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Code of conduct - edit of the point 2

Again, I am -1 on this. Having awareness of the emotional state of others
has proven time and again to be of critical importance, especially in this
community where tempers have flared.

If you don't like the word empathy, we need to add back in this concept
at the very top level, within the first few words - NOT past the colon.

-Joan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Benoit Chesneau" <bchesneau@gmail.com>
To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:03:31 AM
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Code of conduct - edit of the point 2

Sorry for the delay. I planned to propose that change sooner, but I am
really busy these days.


I don't have access to the confluence website neither I see a simple way to
patch it so here is my proposal on the point 2. I would replace it with:

Be honest, welcoming, friendly, and patient: We work together to resolve
> conflict, assume good intentions, and do our best to trust each others. We
> may all experience some frustration from time to time, but we do not allow
> frustration to turn into a personal attack. A community where people feel
> uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one. We should be
> respectful when dealing with other community members as well as with people
> outside our community.


Note that I replaced empathy (which is a vague concept in many culture) by
honesty and trust. Imo the words "honest, welcoming, friendly, and patient"
are defining what could be empathy in many cultures and doesn't rely on
interpretation. The idea came from a conversation with Katie Miller at the
EUC, but never had time to post it here...

Thoughts?

- benoit