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From Robert Samuel Newson <rnew...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Amend CouchDB bylaws
Date Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:14:29 GMT
+1 to that clarification.

On 28 Jul 2014, at 19:07, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

> Joan, for clarification, I've not made the edit. I put it in the
> errata. If everyone on this thread is happy with me making the
> addition of "single" as previously explained, I will do so. But I'll
> need everyone who's already voted to say they're happy with that.
> 
> That would be changing:
> 
> "A -1 vote is never called a veto except when using the RTC approval
> model. This is because a -1 vote never has the power to block a vote
> outside of RTC."
> 
> To this:
> 
> "A -1 vote is never called a veto except when using the RTC approval
> model. This is because a single -1 vote never has the power to block a
> vote outside of RTC."
> 
> On 28 July 2014 19:28, Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org> wrote:
>> With this modification, I concur. +1 on these changes, and thanks for
>> getting this and the minor errata from others merged into a single vote
>> so promptly!
>> 
>> -Joan
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Noah Slater" <nslater@apache.org>
>> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:58:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Amend CouchDB bylaws
>> 
>> Dang. Where I say that a -1 never has the power to block a vote, I
>> really mean a *single* -1 vote. Of course, -1 votes can still block a
>> vote if you have enough of them. The point is that they're not vetos
>> 
>> I don't think this is enough for me to abort the vote, as the rules
>> are quite clear in the approval models section. This only serves as a
>> clarification of the statement that a -1 vote is not *called* a veto
>> outside of RTC.
>> 
>> If you think this is important enough to restart the vote, I shall do so.
>> 
>> In the mean time, I have created an Errata document:
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Errata
>> 
>> On 28 July 2014 18:25, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Sensible. Thanks for catching this!
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> Jan
>>> --
>>> 
>>>> On 28.07.2014, at 16:55, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello folks,
>>>> 
>>>> In a discussion between myself, Joan, and Bob on IRC today, it became
>>>> clear that there are some major errors that need fixing ASAP.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's my candidate doc that we are voting on:
>>>> 
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44302814
>>>> 
>>>> This vote uses majority approval model and expires in 72 hours.
>>>> 
>>>> Please review and cast your vote.
>>>> 
>>>> The page history is messy, but here is a list of the changes I made,
>>>> in order of importance. The last half are a wrap-up of all the
>>>> outstanding errata.
>>>> 
>>>> - Dropped "majority approval" approval model, as this allowed blocking
>>>> -1 votes on non-technical decisions. Confirmed with other major
>>>> contributors to the bylaws that this did not match our intentions
>>>> 
>>>> - Updated decision table to use "lazy majority" or "lazy 2/3 majority"
>>>> instead of "majority approval" as necessary
>>>> 
>>>> - Clarified that "veto" only applies to -1 votes using RTC
>>>> 
>>>> - Change our most preferred method of decision making to "Lazy
>>>> consensus or RTC" per Bob's feedback that we actually have two primary
>>>> decision making models, one for code and one for everything else
>>>> 
>>>> - Dropped a redundant sentence about the Chair not being a leader
>>>> 
>>>> - Changed "RTC Approval & Vetos" to "RTC and Vetos" so anchors work
>>>> 
>>>> - Fixed internal anchors, and added a few additional ones
>>>> 
>>>> - Added example about using email TAGS
>>>> 
>>>> - Tightened up wording about the PMC delegating responsibility
>>>> 
>>>> - Minor fixes for wording and case
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Noah Slater
>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater


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