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From Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Official CouchDB Bylaws
Date Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:58:59 GMT
Given your strong objection here, the implied -1 and the desire of the PMC to have unanimity
on this first important document, I will cancel the vote, update the document and issue a
new vote.

All 1 vote(s) issued to date are null and void.  Please stand by for another CFV.

-Joan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Samuel Newson" <rnewson@apache.org>
To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 7:28:46 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Official CouchDB Bylaws

Hi,

I’ve read the new draft and I am very pleased with it. I have one issue that prevents me
voting for the bylaws;

Section 2.4: "The PMC is the Chair's committee and operates at the behest of the Chair."

This contrasts starkly with https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair; "Remember that, as
in any meeting, the chair is a facilitator and their role within the PMC is to ensure that
everyone has a chance to be heard and to enable meetings to flow smoothly. There is no concept
of "leader" in the Apache way."

I would like the sentence struck.

Related to that, the sentence "As an officer of the Foundation, the Chair has extraordinary
powers, up-to and including the disbandment of the entire PMC. While the use of such powers
is obviously not expected, if it could be justified to the Board, the Chair has the power
to enact any sort of change." needs a citation. I can’t quite find this language elsewhere
in the ASF but would gladly accept a pointer.

That the Chair has an oversight role is obvious and non-controversial. The language in our
bylaws implies that the Chair is the leader and supreme controller, and I’m not signing
on to that.

B.

On 21 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Robert Kowalski <rok@kowalski.gd> wrote:

> Great work, +1 alot!
> 
> 
> 2014-07-21 22:55 GMT+02:00 Joan Touzet <joant@lrtw.org>:
> 
>> Voting period starts         21:00:00 UTC on Monday, July 21, 2014
>> Votes must be received by    23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, July 27, 2014
>> 
>> 
>> INTRODUCTION
>> ============
>> This Call For Votes is for voting in an official set of Apache CouchDB
>> bylaws. This vote is being conducted as required by the proposed bylaws
>> themselves. For voting questions or problems, contact the PMC at
>> private@couchdb.apache.org.
>> 
>> The intent is to make this an official document of Apache CouchDB.
>> 
>> To cast a binding vote, you need to be a CouchDB PMC member.
>> 
>> As this is the first vote of its kind, and this document is foundational
>> to our decision-making process in the future, _the PMC is asking all
>> active committers to cast voluntary, non-binding votes as well_.
>> 
>> 
>> HOW TO VOTE
>> ===========
>> First, read the full text of the proposal.
>> 
>> The text of the bylaw document being voted on can be found at:
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40511017
>> 
>> The vote is on version 88 of this document as displayed in the document
>> page history at:
>> 
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=40511017
>> 
>> The page has been locked for edits until the vote is concluded.
>> 
>> To cast a vote, it is necessary to reply to this email, at
>> 
>>  dev@couchdb.apache.org
>> 
>> with your vote as outlined under Section 3.3 of the Bylaws. As a
>> reminder, for the purpose of tallying, all values will be counted as +1,
>> -1 or nothing.
>> 


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