Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09CFD11776 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 06:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84196 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2014 06:18:08 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 84141 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2014 06:18:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 84131 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jun 2014 06:18:08 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 06:18:08 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) Received: from [203.216.7.223] (HELO www.atypical.net) (203.216.7.223) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 06:18:02 +0000 Received: from 69-165-165-30.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.165.165.30] helo=localhost) by www.atypical.net with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WsQzd-0002KH-B9 for dev@couchdb.apache.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:17:41 +0900 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 02:17:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Joan Touzet To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Message-ID: <14856062.1528.1401949052991.JavaMail.Joan@RITA> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [REQUES] Review proposed bylaws (Was: Re: [DISCUSS] Project bylaws) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Shorin" > Well, mostly all CoC points could be replaced by single sentence: "Be polite.": Being polite is insufficiently rich to describe what we expect from people. I also explained why I didn't use polite in a previous thread as well (or it might have been IRC, I forget now.) Proof by counterexample: I have been involved in a private gaming community for a long time where the only rule was "be polite" / "don't be an asshole". Recently it has been made painfully clear that, to some people, being polite means it's OK to be sexist, racist, disparage people who don't agree with you, villainize foreigners, and worse that I won't bring to bear on this list. This is even worse when people are "polite" on a mailing list but still harbor ill will behind a surface of politeness. > P.S. the word "polite" mentioned zero times on code of conduct page. See above. Saying "be polite" is only the start of a longer conversation, one we've been having for years now in various places -- and one that shows that not everyone has the same level of understanding. I am -1 on any reductionist single-sentence approach as it will simply leave too many loopholes. We should not be placed in a position where we must have semantic arguments about what I think polite means vs. what you think polite means. Given the difficulties CouchDB has had as a community over the years, we must necessarily be explicit in the list of what we do and do not tolerate. If that list proves insufficient we need to grow it over time. -Joan