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From Sneha Nathani <sneha.nath...@weareifp.com>
Subject Re: Code of Conduct & Diversity Statement draft needs your feedback!
Date Tue, 20 May 2014 08:37:25 GMT
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On 19 May 2014, at 21:30, Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org> wrote:

> Jason, thanks for your time to review the text.
> 
> I've inserted the Oxford comma everywhere. I've also added "excessive or
> unnecessary profanity" to the laundry list.
> 
> For point 5, the parallel structure is limited to finishing the sentence
> "We strive to..." and doesn't have to start with "be," see point 7 for
> the canonical counterexample.
> 
> I've explicitly avoided most of the terms you mention (respect,
> politeness, civility) because they don't alone capture all of the
> behaviours listed there. To wit, you can insult a friend jokingly, but
> others may not understand the humorous intent and find it upsetting or
> offputting. In the text, it does say you should not "insult or put down
> other participants." I think that's clear enough. I am open to "choose
> words carefully" if others think the current text is too wordy, but
> the current text does come directly from upstream @ 
> http://speakup.io/coc.html
> 
> -Joan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Smith" <jason.h.smith@gmail.com>
> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 2:09:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Code of Conduct & Diversity Statement draft needs your feedback!
> h
> Hi, Joan. Thanks for this!
> 
> First, a perhaps trivial note: the document switches once or twice to and
> from the Oxford comma. ("...twitter, and"; "...friendly and")
> 
> I have two comments about specific guideline 5 ("words we choose").
> 
> Can we get profanity explicity listed here? It is generally considered
> unprofessional; but I don't like it on inclusiveness grounds. Profanity is
> characteristically Western and it can be a turn-off for non-Westerners. I
> would phase it: "excessive or unnecessary profanity"
> 
> Next, as much as possible, should we stick to "what you do" rather than
> "what you are"? Rather than "be careful in the words that we choose" what
> about "be respectful" or "be polite" or "be professional"? I can imagine
> somebody saying "I *did* carefully choose to say <something hurtful>
> because the situation demanded it."
> 
> I know this code is intentionally subjective, so maybe my loophole is no
> big deal. Anyway, the current phrasing is a bit awkward in its own right.
> Maybe just "Choose words carefully" or "Communicate politely" (or any
> synonym). Or to keep your parallel structure, maybe "Be civil."
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> The draft CoC and diversity statement have been published at:
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41812010
>> 
>> The wiki is a bit slow today so if it doesn't load the first time, hit
>> reload and be patient.
>> 
>> Please take the time to review this and post comments here on the dev
>> ML.
>> 
>> Outstanding items (2 and 3 are specifically for the PMC):
>> 
>>  1. Create expanded CoC for conferences/events
>>  2. Determine appropriate venue and scope for diversity ML
>>  3. Determine appropriate private reporting compliance mechanism
>> 
>> -Joan
>> 
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