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From Joan Touzet <>
Subject Re: Code of Conduct & Diversity Statement draft needs your feedback!
Date Mon, 19 May 2014 20:30:57 GMT
Jason, thanks for your time to review the text.

I've inserted the Oxford comma everywhere. I've also added "excessive or
unnecessary profanity" to the laundry list.

For point 5, the parallel structure is limited to finishing the sentence
"We strive to..." and doesn't have to start with "be," see point 7 for
the canonical counterexample.

I've explicitly avoided most of the terms you mention (respect,
politeness, civility) because they don't alone capture all of the
behaviours listed there. To wit, you can insult a friend jokingly, but
others may not understand the humorous intent and find it upsetting or
offputting. In the text, it does say you should not "insult or put down
other participants." I think that's clear enough. I am open to "choose
words carefully" if others think the current text is too wordy, but
the current text does come directly from upstream @


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Smith" <>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 2:09:52 PM
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct & Diversity Statement draft needs your feedback!
Hi, Joan. Thanks for this!

First, a perhaps trivial note: the document switches once or twice to and
from the Oxford comma. ("...twitter, and"; "...friendly and")

I have two comments about specific guideline 5 ("words we choose").

Can we get profanity explicity listed here? It is generally considered
unprofessional; but I don't like it on inclusiveness grounds. Profanity is
characteristically Western and it can be a turn-off for non-Westerners. I
would phase it: "excessive or unnecessary profanity"

Next, as much as possible, should we stick to "what you do" rather than
"what you are"? Rather than "be careful in the words that we choose" what
about "be respectful" or "be polite" or "be professional"? I can imagine
somebody saying "I *did* carefully choose to say <something hurtful>
because the situation demanded it."

I know this code is intentionally subjective, so maybe my loophole is no
big deal. Anyway, the current phrasing is a bit awkward in its own right.
Maybe just "Choose words carefully" or "Communicate politely" (or any
synonym). Or to keep your parallel structure, maybe "Be civil."

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Joan Touzet <> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> The draft CoC and diversity statement have been published at:
> The wiki is a bit slow today so if it doesn't load the first time, hit
> reload and be patient.
> Please take the time to review this and post comments here on the dev
> ML.
> Outstanding items (2 and 3 are specifically for the PMC):
>   1. Create expanded CoC for conferences/events
>   2. Determine appropriate venue and scope for diversity ML
>   3. Determine appropriate private reporting compliance mechanism
> -Joan

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