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From Jason Smith <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct
Date Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:57:40 GMT
TL;DR = Is immediate removal from the project really worth thinking about?

Noah, can you think of an example infraction that could plausibly trigger
an immediate removal from the project, for a first offense? Yes we can all
think of hypothetical examples, but something plausible from this community?

(Am I diving into too much specifics too soon?)

I feel like a time-out (of many months or a year) is a pretty harsh
consequence. I can't think of something (within expectation or project
experience) that would merit much worse. Multiple offenses, or ignoring a
time-out, sure: basically to me the only "major infraction" is "repeated or
multiple willful normal infractions" if you get my meaning.

Imagine a good person who is usually fine but happens to have a very very,
very, bad day. And they cross the line badly on that one day. I shouldn't
think they'd be removed for a first offense even if it is grave. Again, I
am talking about expected or historical real-world behavior, not something
hypothetical like, say, something criminal. The most egregious behavior I
can think of (that we should spend time planning for) is severe
intentional, hurtful, harassment or insult for no productive purpose. Even
that, as a first offense from someone otherwise in good standing, I do not
think merits expulsion. Suspension, but not expulsion.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Noah Slater <> wrote:

> A requirement for me for our CoC is that we have a well defined
> response procedure. This is a commonly done for conferences, but is
> usually kept private to conference organisers. Obviously, ours will be
> public.
> To give you an idea of what I'm thinking:
> - Minor infractions vs. major infractions
> - A warning system for minor infractions (as is common in most
> employment situations)
> - "Time outs" to let people cool off from IRC, the mailing list, etc
> - An escalation procedure in case warnings and cool-offs are ignored
> or ineffectual
> - Immediate removal from the project in the case of major infractions
> I know this all seems like depressing serious business. But
> documenting this stuff so that everyone is on the same page, and we've
> all pre-agreed to it will massively cut down on drama while allowing
> the project to take swift action when needed.
> On 28 April 2014 21:48, Joan Touzet <> wrote:
> > Benoit said:
> >> This one looks really good. What's your plan about the social contract?
> >> Take something adapted?
> >
> > In the context of this CoC it only refers to:
> >
> >   "We will not hide problems
> >
> >   We will keep our entire bug report database open for public
> >   view at all times. Reports that people file online will
> >   promptly become visible to others."
> >
> > so we can probably make this explicit, then point to the ASF Bylaws[1]
> > and ASF "How it works"[2] for the rest.
> >
> > -Joan
> >
> > [1]
> > [2]
> --
> Noah Slater

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