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From Garren Smith <gar...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)
Date Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:42:08 GMT
Benoit, Andy and Noah 

Benoit has been the only one to raise an objection to this, so can we not assume that everyone
else is ok with this? If so can we move on.

Cheers
Garren

On 04 Feb 2014, at 10:29 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Andy Wenk <andy@nms.de> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Noah and Benoit,
>> 
>> I want to drop a personal note here. I do agree with both your targets and
>> I am sure that both of you have very much more experience in this project
>> regarding communication and organization. But what I feel right here is,
>> that Benoit feels kind of unheard and Noah doesn't want to grow a
>> discussion but want to make faster decisions what I think is very helpful.
>> I think in this case here, you are both doing it wrong. Benoit, I think we
>> discussed the point a lot and my last comment was to ask other's about
>> their opinion (not willing to start a week long discussion). So we could
>> come to a quick conclusion if people read the stuff and give a quick
>> comment (what Nick did). Noah, I think you have been a little too fast. It
>> would have been great to first explain the fact, that you want to make
>> faster progress. Your last reply was clear and explaining. Your first
>> answer to Benoit's comment was also for me a little ... let's say 'forcing'.
>> 
>> Hey we are not made out of sugar. But let's find a good way to have
>> further great discussions with the focus to make quick(er) decisions. And
>> let's keep in mind, that we are not sitting next to each other and that we
>> have to use this medium email to get our work done.
>> 
>> I am looking forward to work on the "marketing" stuff soon.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Andy,
> 
> Thanks for your mail.
> 
> So let it be clear, while I really don't think it's a good idea to have 2
> mailing lists, I already agreed to discuss it in a response of your mail.
> Or to be more accurate, I think we should just launch a formal question
> about that and collect the yes and no. Then someone will take the
> responsibility to follow or not this consensus.
> 
> Noah, I don't think that launching a new ml could be see as a test and we
> could cancel it at any time is really productive. If the choose of a
> distinct advocacy  mailing-list is done by the community, then the
> community and people that want to put efforts on it should focus on making
> it a succes (more than what have already be done in other created mls).
> 
> 
> I still don't see why you can start to see if it works on @dev anyway. If
> @dev is show as an "hostile" ml, then there is already a problem. And it
> should be solved first. You can advocate anything, but if the same people
> goes your "safe" mailing-list it will be the same. I already elaborated
> why.
> 
> Last thing. I really wish we could just talk about advocacy. marketing is
> just a way to advocate (and mainly for those who are thinking in term of
> market shares).
> 
> - benoit


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