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From "Mutton, James" <jmut...@akamai.com>
Subject Re: Git Repository Creation
Date Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:34:02 GMT
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On 1/22/14 11:07 PM, "Robert Samuel Newson" <rnewson@apache.org> wrote:

>
>Ditto, can¹t think of a thing worth having post-R14 to take the leap
>given the numerous broken releases. I had forgotten that monitoring was
>broken in R16B01. Good grief.
>
>B.
>
>On 23 Jan 2014, at 07:03, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oops, that should've have been "re-add support".
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul Davis
>> <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Surprised that no one has mentioned that monitors were broken in
>>>R16B01.
>>> 
>>> http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-bugs/2013-July/003670.html
>>> 
>>> While I do agree with general points on both sides of the minimum
>>> Erlang requirement I think its important to note that even Basho is
>>> staying with R15B01 at the moment. I haven't heard of anything major
>>> on R16B0(2|3) but given that Basho isn't running that I wonder if they
>>> found something else there.
>>> 
>>> I'm also intrigued by the reason that projects have dropped R14
>>> support. I don't know of anything super majorly awesome in newer
>>> releases so I'd wonder if it wouldn't be possible with a bit of effort
>>> to read support to upstream projects.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Russell Branca
>>><chewbranca@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> The scheduler collapse problems in R15 and R16 are widely known and
>>>>not
>>>> resolved. Frankly, as developers of a database, we should strive to
>>>>provide
>>>> end users with the most reliable and best experience, which in my
>>>>opinion
>>>> means we should recommend R14B01. There is not a battle tested,
>>>>reliable
>>>> version of Erlang that has proven to solve the scheduler collapse
>>>>problems,
>>>> and until that time, I think it's unwise to remove support for R14.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Russell
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Benoit Chesneau
>>>><bchesneau@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understood what you meant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Imo the best thing would be creating a check list of the things that
>>>>> prevent to go to a version greater than R14. Can you share the one
>>>>>you have
>>>>> inside cloudant ? It will help us to reach a consensus also later to
>>>>>make
>>>>> sure we can fix them in next Erlang releases.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is not that I want absolutely use the latest. If we stand on an
>>>>>old
>>>>> and unmaintained release then we should know exactly why and check
>>>>>from
>>>>> time to time if we still need to stay on this version.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> - benoit
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Robert Samuel Newson
>>>>><rnewson@apache.org
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I could have phrased it better, so I¹ll do so now;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> R14 is still widely used in production and is very stable. R15 and
>>>>>>R16
>>>>>> have known stability problems that affect deployments using NIF¹s
>>>>>>that
>>>>> can
>>>>>> potentially run for longer than a millisecond before returning
>>>>>>control to
>>>>>> the scheduler.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am not blackmailing the project but I hope you can understand how
>>>>>>I
>>>>> feel
>>>>>> about your suggestion to remove the ability for Cloudant to continue
>>>>>> working after we are making such a large contribution and, further,
>>>>> seeking
>>>>>> to move our active development to couchdb itself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> B.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 13:01, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Dave Cottlehuber
>>>>>>><dch@jsonified.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 22 January 2014 13:23, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Robert Samuel Newson
>>>>>>>>> <rnewson@apache.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Benoit,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cloudant requires R14 support, it would mean our
contribution to
>>>>>> couchdb
>>>>>>>>>> becomes useless to us and we could not contribute
further.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Are you using blackmail? Is this the position of the
Cloudant
>>>>> company?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Benoit,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Your comment reads like an ad hominem attack, and I don't
think
>>>>>>>>Bob's
>>>>>>>> point, nor Bob, nor Cloudant, deserved that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My questions stand. The way it is formulated, and that's not
the
>>>>>>>first
>>>>>>> time, is not that clear at all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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