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From Paul Davis <paul.joseph.da...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Git Repository Creation
Date Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:09:28 GMT
https://github.com/bumptech/stud

:D

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Mutton, James <jmutton@akamai.com> wrote:
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> On 1/22/14 11:07 PM, "Robert Samuel Newson" <rnewson@apache.org> wrote:
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>>Ditto, can¹t think of a thing worth having post-R14 to take the leap
>>given the numerous broken releases. I had forgotten that monitoring was
>>broken in R16B01. Good grief.
>>
>>B.
>>
>>On 23 Jan 2014, at 07:03, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, that should've have been "re-add support".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul Davis
>>> <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Surprised that no one has mentioned that monitors were broken in
>>>>R16B01.
>>>>
>>>> http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-bugs/2013-July/003670.html
>>>>
>>>> While I do agree with general points on both sides of the minimum
>>>> Erlang requirement I think its important to note that even Basho is
>>>> staying with R15B01 at the moment. I haven't heard of anything major
>>>> on R16B0(2|3) but given that Basho isn't running that I wonder if they
>>>> found something else there.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also intrigued by the reason that projects have dropped R14
>>>> support. I don't know of anything super majorly awesome in newer
>>>> releases so I'd wonder if it wouldn't be possible with a bit of effort
>>>> to read support to upstream projects.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Russell Branca
>>>><chewbranca@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> The scheduler collapse problems in R15 and R16 are widely known and
>>>>>not
>>>>> resolved. Frankly, as developers of a database, we should strive to
>>>>>provide
>>>>> end users with the most reliable and best experience, which in my
>>>>>opinion
>>>>> means we should recommend R14B01. There is not a battle tested,
>>>>>reliable
>>>>> version of Erlang that has proven to solve the scheduler collapse
>>>>>problems,
>>>>> and until that time, I think it's unwise to remove support for R14.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Russell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Benoit Chesneau
>>>>><bchesneau@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understood what you meant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imo the best thing would be creating a check list of the things that
>>>>>> prevent to go to a version greater than R14. Can you share the one
>>>>>>you have
>>>>>> inside cloudant ? It will help us to reach a consensus also later
to
>>>>>>make
>>>>>> sure we can fix them in next Erlang releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not that I want absolutely use the latest. If we stand on
an
>>>>>>old
>>>>>> and unmaintained release then we should know exactly why and check
>>>>>>from
>>>>>> time to time if we still need to stay on this version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - benoit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Robert Samuel Newson
>>>>>><rnewson@apache.org
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could have phrased it better, so I¹ll do so now;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> R14 is still widely used in production and is very stable. R15
and
>>>>>>>R16
>>>>>>> have known stability problems that affect deployments using NIF¹s
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> potentially run for longer than a millisecond before returning
>>>>>>>control to
>>>>>>> the scheduler.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not blackmailing the project but I hope you can understand
how
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> about your suggestion to remove the ability for Cloudant to continue
>>>>>>> working after we are making such a large contribution and, further,
>>>>>> seeking
>>>>>>> to move our active development to couchdb itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 13:01, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Dave Cottlehuber
>>>>>>>><dch@jsonified.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22 January 2014 13:23, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Robert Samuel Newson
>>>>>>>>>> <rnewson@apache.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Benoit,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cloudant requires R14 support, it would mean
our contribution to
>>>>>>> couchdb
>>>>>>>>>>> becomes useless to us and we could not contribute
further.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you using blackmail? Is this the position of
the Cloudant
>>>>>> company?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Benoit,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your comment reads like an ad hominem attack, and I don't
think
>>>>>>>>>Bob's
>>>>>>>>> point, nor Bob, nor Cloudant, deserved that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My questions stand. The way it is formulated, and that's
not the
>>>>>>>>first
>>>>>>>> time, is not that clear at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
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