Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB0CD11F7B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 99086 invoked by uid 500); 10 May 2013 20:16:05 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 99010 invoked by uid 500); 10 May 2013 20:16:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 99002 invoked by uid 99); 10 May 2013 20:16:05 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:16:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-ie0-f176.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username nslater, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:16:04 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id at1so8813360iec.21 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:16:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=sfDWon0Rzv0fnzKAksTORRgbYr/cJ6GqXkVIthsvm/g=; b=jPlAV34kM2s88tZktvyyY7cATExQLDcci3CnzP4fkLW0mTIjz+Q3tKaK7YsPLMD8fi 34UA5Fdk5/bThV7TZDZy40kNnANy6BtCGir67onk2NCVl7zK+zm8tpTF8NwJX+w0CL1y o24RwPC/RSfU4Y3H/CEE/AYx/7nuexJ6t7XHmdYBKB7uGdkWSQEKiO/x54RIE+CrQdbW ygmx2dk8JIvuKWPgdc8+IRHF0yKh1zKPRqE45TsrDGXGklJh8BA8kwCt5WPoqGwthJkX gjoj3OgzVUy79Mj6V7TNUaH1FIlZfqdLALS0aySoccfTLqbSi9yDxxGkwnScDauFMFK6 UEwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.133.134 with SMTP id hy6mr4862603icc.57.1368216963680; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.57.114 with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:16:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [178.250.115.206] In-Reply-To: References: <3E30B4E7-CE71-4007-A59C-C68A422C5E54@apache.org> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] dont't abuse of "lazy concensus" on mail tagged [DISCUSS] From: Noah Slater To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cfeb21939e204dc62d6b4 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkddqlYl0Uy/qLBXKBPyDJfFRwFBi+bF/koGn3akFJfj3ftHrkK2rp4yILGSNahApPBiHgk --20cf307cfeb21939e204dc62d6b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 10 May 2013 20:39, Randall Leeds wrote: > So I'd prefer to see [DISCUSS] and [URGENT] used and just be mindful > that discussion suggests ample allotment of time for discussion. I > don't believe we need a specific tag for lazy consensus because I > agree with you that it's the default operating mode. Randall, My only issue here is that I think "URGENT" misses the mark also. There are several community / project-level things that one might want to do where all you really ought to do is notify dev@ that you're about to do it. Some examples I can think of: * Big changes to the website * Big changes to the wiki * Changes in stuff like release procedure * Archiving releases * Planning marketing activity * Getting approval for small events * Getting branding approval There are plenty more. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm more than happy only using "DISCUSS" to mean "here's an open ended discussion", but I want a tag that means "here's something I'm about to do". I agree that we don't need a specific tag for lazy consensus, simply because lazy consensus is the default. But if "DISCUSS" is causing some people to think "oh well, I'll read that next week when I have time" then it would be handy to be able to explicitly tag a thread with "this is something that is about to happen, so speak up now". And I don't think "URGENT" is the right tag. Because archiving a release isn't urgent. But I _will_ be moving ahead if I don't hear any objections about it. Do you see what I mean? On 10 May 2013 20:45, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > I'm not sure what yo mean by-laws here. But I will draft a set of > rules I have in mind. Not until next week anyway since I am working > on some other topics right now. > > - benoit > Starting points: http://hadoop.apache.org/bylaws.html http://hc.apache.org/bylaws.html http://struts.apache.org/release/1.2.x/bylaws.html -- NS --20cf307cfeb21939e204dc62d6b4--