Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0211D1194F for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 83905 invoked by uid 500); 9 May 2013 10:53:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 83734 invoked by uid 500); 9 May 2013 10:53:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 83694 invoked by uid 99); 9 May 2013 10:53:43 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:53:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-la0-f48.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username rnewson, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:53:42 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id eg20so2690721lab.35 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 03:53:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u56Q0rUEN5B/20F8dXbBufDT52BfSqxTO9Hzo7kA86I=; b=Q+gntML1MEFBbBLV2mzrpwqppZoVZBqXDXY3pIEGuz9F3qQHtSUZpQNR3dbhVq7M6q 6gXKwgSGgSHzn7gfuDDRHF258EY/3xdYQ6MbuzzExkjBNaEm6mpcxCGKQpSQVB0V0+RT MH8Io62datQdLlwJ6YmVJVj35zquwVb/UyVgE8YGUeRiPSP1hObMCLtsy48Qa8GYKjhj 23x+bTRFquQl4ouVavHN+WTimuWx0Hlce4U7v4hkZLh71+Y7ln5hvyhsAkm2xtKXC1jt keTXNDnxyNlEUOGE+rZ2/DF4DxUUnXp7jdvlNFRwxorXQkMdSkYEjfRbQumKboqwco+d lasQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.157.129 with SMTP id wm1mr5149976lbb.69.1368096820714; Thu, 09 May 2013 03:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.210.66 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 03:53:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:53:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: wiki choice: moinmoin vs confluence From: Robert Newson To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm definitely in favour of building up the docs/ effort to replace the wiki as *the* place to find out how couchdb works. I can't quite picture what will be left of the wiki when that's achieved. I guess the pages where we list contributors and couchdb-based projects, but not too much else. I'm -0.9 (see http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html) on switching to Confluence. The choice of wiki technology is a tiny factor, in my opinion. No wiki is useful without active maintenance. Unless there's a horde of editors just waiting for the switch before they'll help out, I think it's a distraction from the real issue. B. On 9 May 2013 11:46, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> Anyway, I'm really excited about CouchDB and I really want to contribute to >> the global documentation out there, but MoinMoin ain't making it easy. I >> really think that a move to a better documentation tool could be a huge >> push to CouchDB's adoption. Thanks for listening. > > Have you seen the new Sphinx-based docs? I think they're a huge > improvement over both the wiki and the book drafts. Personally, I > think it would make a lot of sense to invest more time in those, > rather than moving wiki content around. We could port wiki content > that's missing from the docs to reST so it gets included in every > CouchDB release (where it's easily accessible through Futon). > > I think the biggest problem with the wiki is that wikis require a lot > of what I tend to think of as "gardening" to make them easy to > navigate. I don't think MoinMoin is the larger problem here (though I > tend to agree that it's pretty unattractive). > > If we want to go one step further with reST, it would even be possible > to have similar handling for the blog. I use Pelican for my personal > blog and it uses reST as well. We could have a directory "blog" in the > tree somewhere where people can collaborate on blog entries which > subsequently get published to the interwebz. > > Cheers, > > Dirkjan