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From Traun Leyden <>
Subject Re: Javascript Test Suite
Date Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:33:05 GMT
For unit testing modules written in Erlang, I'd argue that using Elixir
would be the best bet.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Paul Davis <>wrote:

> The first bit I'd like to say is that the use of couchjs was just a
> stop gap measure to get the test suite out of the browser. We used to
> have to deal with so many browser issues it was just a terrible mess.
> The issue with couchjs is much as you've seen that its not a very full
> environment for writing tests. So just to be clear that the only real
> thing tying us to that as a test platform is that we have a large
> amount of JS written already so either we need to make the couchjs
> better, use node, or translate tests to something that has a more
> useful environment.
> I've been noodling over whether we might be better off to just start
> translating everything to Python or something. I've seen suggestions
> for Erlang but I personally think Erlang is a terrible language for
> writing tests like this (specifically, the code to test ratio is
> ungood). If we had something like Python to hack on then I was also
> thinking of writing a library function that would start CouchDB as a
> slave process which then would remove the need to have the _restart
> handler because you could just kill -9 the subprocess and restart it
> with maybe a wait for when things boot again.
> I reviewed your feature branch the other day and I'm +1 for pushing
> that to master.
> Awesome work, Wendall.
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Wendall Cada <> wrote:
> > I wanted to follow up on this.
> >
> > I've created a feature branch for this and a JIRA issue
> >
> >
> > Overall, I think the worst problem is that the tests really aren't
> > debuggable in any sane way, and logging is essentially useless for most
> > things. The only sure way to spot an error most of the time is if it's an
> > actual CouchDB bug and shows up in the log. I'm not sure how this can
> ever
> > be fixed with the current test suite. I'd opt for testing with jasmine,
> but
> > that would require not using couchjs for the test runner, so for now, I
> just
> > focused on getting random failures under control.
> >
> > Paul was kind enough to share some code that he wrote recently to deal
> with
> > the rampant _restart issues.
> >
> > This is a very sound approach in using a token so you can see if it
> actually
> > restarts. The current test suite can result in false positives very
> easily,
> > which leads to test failures. I think this is probably the biggest reason
> > for the random failures. In a previous IRC conversation with Bob
> (rnewson),
> > Jan and I think Benoit (sorry if not the case) _restart was deemed
> something
> > that should go away. I filed a ticket for it's removal
> >, and as Bob points
> out in
> > the comments, this is useful for the test suite. I'd argue it's only
> useful
> > with Paul's patch adding a token. Otherwise, it's just not reliable at
> all.
> >
> > For the branch I created, instead of using _restart, I did some bash
> magic
> > with a pipe and stop/start the process through the local run script. This
> > has the same drawback of not knowing if CouchDB restarted, or we just
> got a
> > false positive. To account for this, I put a small delay in the
> execution of
> > the lookup, using a new method isRunning to give a little time to stop.
> >
> > I also changed the suite to run a new couchjs for each test file. I'm not
> > certain at this point that this is even necessary at all, but I still
> think
> > it's safer in case of a crash, since the rest of the suite can continue.
> >
> > Other changes I made were just timing related in running the test suite
> for
> > spinning disks, and a couple bug fixes in individual tests.
> >
> > The lack of timers makes writing these tests very ugly. I really dislike
> > this, but so long as the test suite needs couchjs, I don't see a way to
> > avoid this without implementing our own setInterval method in C.
> >
> > One last item. I was getting a consistent failure in Centos 6. I tracked
> > this down to a bug in libcurl. For some reason, after any xhr request
> that
> > returns a 416, the very next send() will hang for a long time, then
> > eventually crash couchjs. The specific version causing the issue is
> > curl-7.19.7-35.el6 and libcurl-7.19.7-35.el6. I'm not certain if this is
> > worth reporting in JIRA, but it will certainly cause a test suite failure
> > consistently in attachment_ranges, but otherwise appears to be fairly
> > harmless. Maybe this should be documented somewhere?
> >
> > Wendall
> >
> >
> > On 03/27/2013 02:05 PM, Wendall Cada wrote:
> >>
> >> In 1.3.0, there is a new part of the test suite to run the javascript
> >> tests from the command line. I'm running into various issues on
> different
> >> hardware/OS configurations. Mostly, tests hanging or timing out and
> failing.
> >> These are really hard to troubleshoot, as they all pass just fine if run
> >> individually.
> >>
> >> What I'm experimenting with today is rewriting how the tests are
> >> implemented to be run one at a time from a loop in bash, versus a loop
> in
> >> javascript. I think the failures I'm running into are improper
> >> setup/teardown. There may be an issue with rapid delete and adding a
> db, or
> >> rapidly starting and stopping couchdb, but I think this is not what's
> >> happening in my failures.
> >>
> >> The nature of spidermonkey doesn't allow for spawning threads, or
> >> sandboxing, etc, so it's hard looking at the test suite to see how I can
> >> improve running all tests. I think it's far better to have the setup
> spawn a
> >> new interpreter for each test. Tear down will kill the interpreter.
> >>
> >> Wendall
> >
> >

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