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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Google+ community?
Date Sat, 09 Mar 2013 19:31:21 GMT
Benoit,

As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was wondering this
morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the activity
happening over there?

See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow questions.

Do you think this would be valuable?


On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone reading
> this email.
>
> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make do
> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we must keep
> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by everyone.
>
> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to suppress
> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to make
> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a problem
> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the project
> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
>
> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do. It's a
> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the lists.
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
>
> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together. Response
> here:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
>
> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
>
> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing your
> mail.
>
>
> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>
>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig when
>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
>>
>> --
>> *matt *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it won't
>> > happen.
>> >
>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
>> >
>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web interface
>> to
>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive.
>> That
>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
>> >
>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the
>> pockets
>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they emerge
>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing. The
>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that and
>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
>> >
>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *matt j. sorenson*
>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
>> >
>> > phone calls always welcome :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the
>> really
>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
>> discussion
>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
>> >>
>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter back
>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see
>> it?
>> >> It
>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about
>> more
>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
>> >> exposure,
>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
>> >> >
>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
>> >> >
>> >> > - benoƮt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've
>> >> struggled
>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There
>> should
>> >> be a
>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community,
>> and
>> >> > that
>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean
>> >> there
>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But
I
>> am
>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are
>> forming.
>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better,
and stop
>> >> being
>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just
left
>> it
>> >> at
>> >> > >> this...
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> -------------------------
>> >> > >> Hey,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB
on
>> Google+
>> >> > >> -------------------------
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> --
>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Hey,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB
on
>> >> Google+,
>> >> > but
>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from
the
>> project
>> >> > lists,
>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should
talk
>> about
>> >> > >> CouchDB.
>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thanks,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > --
>> >> > >> > NS
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > NS
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> NS
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>



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NS

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