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From Jan Lehnardt <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Releases procedure
Date Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:12:00 GMT
Hey Noah, sorry for being snipey.

On Feb 21, 2013, at 19:07 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

> I know. I've been busy working on my automation.
> 
> Steps to reproduce:
> 
> Spin up an xlarge Ubuntu AMI. Use most recent supported Ubuntu in quick
> launch wizard. (ami-640a0610)
> 
> Try "make distsign"
> 
> That's it.

Would be awesome if someone could send failure logs here.

Cheers
Jan
-- 


> 
> 
> On 21 February 2013 17:59, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2013, at 18:41 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> The hours and days I am spending on this release are trying to make up
>> for
>>> a non-deterministic test suite that can take hours and hours to babysit,
>> to
>>> the point where I am having to automate my way around it.
>> 
>> I still haven’t seen any logs that I could use to help debug this.
>> 
>>> 
>>> The NEWS and CHANGES stuff should take 5-10 minutes tops. But if it is
>>> neglected, then the problem compounds, because now I have to look through
>>> the timelines and organise things so we are consistent.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 21 February 2013 17:32, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2013, at 18:29 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Your response rests on a fallacy, in any case.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maintaining a list of release versions is going to be a PITA no matter
>>>> what
>>>>> we do. Especially when we have four or five divergent timelines. Moving
>>>>> these to the docs only consolidates the maintenance into one file. This
>>>>> will still require care and attention, and I believe it is appropriate
>> of
>>>>> me to remind people of that. The current state of affairs is a complete
>>>>> mess.
>>>> 
>>>> All I know is we spend hours and days on this each release and I don’t
>>>> think this needs to be the case.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> Jan
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 February 2013 17:19, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2013, at 18:16 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you're doing a release, please ensure proper NEWS and CHANGES
>>>> hygiene
>>>>>>> The recent releases went out with a entries in these files for
>> versions
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> have not yet released. And some are missing entries for previous
>>>> versions
>>>>>>> we have released. I have added a few additional instructions
to the
>>>> wiki,
>>>>>>> so hopefully these will be caught next time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alternatively, let’s finally kill this superfluous, error-prone,
>>>>>> time-wasting
>>>>>> distraction from actual work and ensure the important information
>>>> contained
>>>>>> in it are covered in the docs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> NS
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NS
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> NS


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