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From Noah Slater <>
Subject Re: Focus
Date Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:03:34 GMT
I think this is a great initiative Jan.

I am sure there are a few people right now who are thinking "Hey, but I am
working on X, and Jan didn't mention X, so is X important? Or is Jan
telling me I shouldn't be working on X?" Well, I understand that. As it
happens, I am working on the docs, and Jan didn't mention them.

But I don't think the idea is that anything not on the list is unimportant,
or that if you're working on something else, then you should stop. Just
that we need to have a regularly updated list of our current PROJECT LEVEL

And so, with that caveat out of the way...

Jan, as this is your initiative, can I ask you to start a page on the wiki?
We should document this.

I think the wiki page should probably have three things on it. A list of
our current focus areas. An archived list of previous focus areas. And a
list of areas to focus on in the future.

I think we should also review this monthly. Each month, review the current
focus areas, see what has been done and what has not. Archive the list.
Create a new one for the current month. And decide on whether we want to
add any other items. This should be a dev-level decision making process,
perhaps in the first IRC meeting of the month.

A monthly email to both user and dev, along with general project status,
might be a good thing to come out of this too.


On 6 November 2012 15:47, Jan Lehnardt <> wrote:

> Hey all,
> I’m trying something new here. Please send any feedback you might have.
> DISCLAIMER: I won’t keep anyone working on or discussing anything. All I
> want is find a way to make us all more productive.
> * * *
> With that out of the way:
> Let’s Focus!
> My hypothesis is this:
>   This group, dev@, has a limited amount of time and attention to move
> CouchDB forward. We have so many important things to do that it is very
> hard for us to say “no” to any one thing that is brought up. Historically,
> whenever there is a surge of activity, we (myself definitely included) tend
> to bring up more issues than we can work on at a time and as a result we
> end up doing less than we could.
> My proposal to solve this:
>  Say “no”.
> More specifically, we need to learn to say “no” to things that, while they
> are definitely important, are not important enough “right now” and should
> be deferred to a later time.
> For example, currently I think our most important topics are:
>  - Get CORS and docs into shape that we can merge them to master/1.3.x
>  - Ship 1.3.0
>  - Help the Futon.Next folks out as much as we can to build & deliver
> Futon.Next.
> At the same time, there are many more discussions going on that are
> distracting us from the points above done.
> (This includes my Plugins Proposal, I am clearly guilty of this.)
> Note that the list above is a strong “in my opinion”, your shortlist is
> likely to differ and that’s great. We as a group need to figure out
> together what the things are that we care about *and* that we can care
> about at any one time.
> This includes things we discuss on dev@, in the weekly meetings, patches
> we request reviews & comments on.
> I strongly believe that when we can agree on a short list of things we
> care about, and get them done, and *then* move on to the next few things,
> we’ll get more accomplished than we do right now.
> * * *
> It would be illusionary to imagine a fully sequential workflow, so I won’t
> pretend we should try to achieve that, we’ll always have things going on at
> the same time, some by different group members, some by the same people. I
> also don’t suggest to add a layer of classical project management. Some
> discussions are broader (BigCouch merge, source reorg) and need more time,
> others should be resolved quickly. And to reiterate the disclaimer, I won’t
> keep anyone from working on or discussing anything at any time.
> All I suggest is that we, as a group, are a little more mindful about the
> things we can handle at any one point. This will change depending on how
> much time each of us can spend in a given week or month. I hope over time
> the list of things we can do at a time grows, as we add more members to the
> dev team (hello Futon.Next folks! :)
> * * *
> In practical terms, I’ll be asking the questions “is this relevant right
> now?” and “should this be on our short list of things to care about?” a lot
> more often, and I hope, given you agree with the broad strokes above, can
> do the same.
> Thanks for your time and attention!
> Cheers
> Jan
> --


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