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From Octavian Damiean <>
Subject Re: Futon.Next
Date Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:24:53 GMT
I think there is quite a bit of confusion about Node.js and Less usage
apparently. I'm going to try to clear this up.

The less stylesheets will be compiled to CSS at build-time and will be
served as plain old CSS directly from CouchDB. Node.js would not be a
dependency to run CouchDB but only to build/hack on it.

Node.js would solve quite a few build problems in one go. It can be used to
compile our Less stylesheets to CSS, minify CSS and JS if necessary and
then upload it to your local (or remote) CouchDB instance.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Ryan Ramage <> wrote:

> >> I think I need to explain that bit. If we want to use Bootstrap and
> less.js we need a build tool that will compile the less files into css and
> then upload the couchapp into couchdb. Grunt.js is a good fit  but it is an
> extra dependancy as it requires node.js. Maybe Erica could do that instead.
> At this stage these are pretty minor issues that will be easy to sort out
> later.
> >
> > Also the less-to-CSS could be done at release time instead of
> > run-time, so only the people who hack on Futon will have to install
> > node. That would be fine with me, of course.
> I have been going back and forth on this topic in my head for a while.
> My thoughts.
> - I love having the power of a build system like grunt and tools like
> less, and precompilers etc. It's joy to a webdevs life.
> - building couchdb from source is already a massive endeavor for
> requirements. We have to watch we dont make it more difficult. eg, now
> you need node, etc
> - Erica (might or might not) be bundled with couchdb, but I think it
> is the right choice for the final push to couchdb.
> - I dont think erica should have any extra tooling in it (ie less
> compiling), at most it will support build step hooks.
> With those points in mind I have been working on a pretty minimal
> erica build. It can be seen here:
> Here are the key points to it:
> - anyone can push with just erica on their system.
> - a production run can be called with the Make command. This requires
> jam (yes, a node module), which only alters one file, and nothing
> needs to change.
> - We would make a branch/tag that would have the production 'one file'
> checked in.
> - it uses a package manager (jamjs) for js dependencies which is
> _supported_ by 2 people in the couchdb community (caolan and myself)
> - it is following an 'attachment first' style that I am adding into
> erica. This is much more palatable for webdevs.
> * dont worry about the pouchdb stuff in there I was just playing, we
> can use any 'driver' we choose.

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