From dev-return-22042-apmail-couchdb-dev-archive=couchdb.apache.org@couchdb.apache.org Tue Apr 17 17:14:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B82D9541 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 71430 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2012 17:14:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 71387 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2012 17:14:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 71378 invoked by uid 99); 17 Apr 2012 17:14:29 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:14:29 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of mfidelman@meetinghouse.net designates 207.154.13.48 as permitted sender) Received: from [207.154.13.48] (HELO server1.neighborhoods.net) (207.154.13.48) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:14:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by server1.neighborhoods.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639C3CC17D for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:13:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.6.2 (20081215) (Debian) at neighborhoods.net Received: from server1.neighborhoods.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server1.neighborhoods.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SNSVsZ6hLPEN for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-host-3.home (pool-173-76-134-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.76.134.212]) by server1.neighborhoods.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19528CC17F for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4F8DA4D5.8000408@meetinghouse.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:13:57 -0400 From: Miles Fidelman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Subject: Re: website & jira References: <4F8C6F81.1030205@83864.com> <4F8C7DC6.1080306@meetinghouse.net> <4F8D7DDC.8010806@meetinghouse.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 16:27, Miles Fidelman > wrote: >> With all due respect and appreciation for your efforts.... marketing is one >> thing, utility is another. While there's value to marketing, (IMHO) utility >> counts more. We're not talking about a magazine ad, we're talking about a >> web site that people have taken some effort to find and go to - they're >> (we're) looking for information - if the information isn't there, it doesn't >> matter how pretty the site is. > I'm sure Noah agrees with you, and the information/utility value will > get added soon. However, there's also plenty of value to be found in > having a site that's easy on the eyes. Perhaps the balance swung a > little too far in the marketing direction this time, but that will get > corrected. Arguing over it on this mailing list doesn't really help at > this point -- pointing out stuff that you would like to be able to > easily access and isn't, currently, (like your MarkMail point, on > which I probably agree) does. Even better if you add notes like that > to the aforementioned wiki page. > Well, ok, somebody want to add me to the contributors list so I can edit the wiki? -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra