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From Noah Slater <nsla...@tumbolia.org>
Subject Re: website & jira
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:40:34 GMT
No worries. This is a good debate to be having. Thanks for prompting me to
lay things out how I see them! Glad to have you on board, Jonathan! Welcome
to the CouchDB party! :P

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Jonathan Porta <rurd4me@gmail.com> wrote:

> Having worked on projects that were decided by a committee, I agree.  I
> think I suggested that due to the fact that I am not a contributor and that
> I have only been using CouchDB for a few months and am not fully sure yet
> how things are decided within the community.  Please excuse my ignorance on
> this one.
>
> Jonathan Porta
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>
> > Some comments.
> >
> > "I wish it could have been discussed before too."
> >
> > Sorry to jump on you here BenoƮt, but this is not the way CouchDB works.
> >
> > And every time I see this unhealthy attitude raise its ugly head, I am
> > going to stamp on it.
> >
> > CouchDB operates a culture of trust. We trust that community members are
> > going to act in the interests of the project. Whatever you want to do,
> just
> > have at it. It is easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get
> > permission.
> >
> > The only rule to that is: don't be a berk!
> >
> > This permission culture that we seem to have fostered in recent years is
> a
> > blight on the project, and it is my hope that we can use recent events to
> > shake it off. But we need to start by stamping it out where ever we see
> it.
> > Setting an example.
> >
> > The website was not discussed prior to the launch, because I can tell you
> > right now, with my hand on my heart, it would never have seen the light
> of
> > day. We'd still be sat here, with a 5 year old site, moaning about it.
> > Because everyone thinks they know how to design, and everyone has an
> > opinion, and the thing would've been debated until it was killed.
> >
> > You can imagine how much I flinched when I read this: "Does anyone think
> it
> > would be a good idea to list the proposed changes/issues to/with the site
> > and then have the community vote on them?"
> >
> > Not picking on you here Jonathan, but it's a good example of what I am
> > talking about.
> >
> > Voting on the design of the site is probably THE worst idea possible.
> >
> > If we want a site that looks good, then we need to entrust a single
> > individual (preferably with a good eye for design, and modern design
> > skills) to own the site, and to take responsibility for any changes. That
> > is the only way we will avoid the dreaded design by committee, and it is
> > the only way we will be able to sensibly evolve our brand.
> >
> > So, I am asking people now. Please do not touch the design of the site
> > unless you are prepared to take ownership of the design of the site. And
> I
> > mean complete ownership. If you want to mess with the design, please be
> > prepared to take further requests. This is not to discourage you. In
> fact,
> > quite the opposite. If someone wants to do this, I would be overjoyed!
> But
> > we need someone who is committed, and who can use their single, unified
> > vision to guide us in the right direction.
> >
> > Are you a designer?
> >
> > Do you think you could help to maintain our one page static HTML website?
> >
> > Please get in touch. We need your help!
> >
> > In the mean time chaps, I have created a wiki page to collect our ideas.
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/Website_Design
> >
>

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