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From Robert Newson <>
Subject Re: Couchbase trademark issues
Date Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:52:26 GMT
I don't believe any CouchDB committer or PMC member has any interest
in changing the project name.

I personally feel, as you do, that it's the other products that must
clearly distinguish themselves from CouchDB. The company and product
called "Couchbase" clearly confuses the community, who reasonably, but
erroneously, believe that it's related to CouchDB (the truth, now, is
that couchdb is an important but internal component). Sponsoring the
"CouchConf" conferences which talks about "Couch NoSQL technology" but
also "the Couchbase technology" is similarly confusing, especially as
"CouchConf"'s in the past were about Apache CouchDB and things
compatible or complementary to it.

For my part, the ideal solution would be for Couchbase to rename its
product and conferences to not imply that they are about CouchDB, to
me that means not using the word 'couch'. I understand that the
trademark we hold is on 'Apache CouchDB' and that we cannot assert any
rights over the word 'couch', but I don't think anyone can deny that
confusion caused is real. Since the Couchbase product is not CouchDB
compatible it's surprising that it hasn't been rebranded for marketing
reasons already.


On 13 March 2012 04:01, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> (Whoops! Apologies for mixed up subjects and poor threading; I'm not on
> dev@)
> I just wanted to add one other comment about this previous note:
> James Hayton wrote on Feb 20, 2012:
>> Maybe a crazy idea, but since the end result of any legal stuff would
>> be somebody changing the name of something, why doesn't Apache
>> CouchDB just re brand itself? I mean we need a website makeover,
>> etc... Why don't we just ditch the name and come up with something
>> better with a new vision, new leadership, etc... Lets put a few
>> features in that people have been asking for, include the big couch
>> code (clustering), create a new website and call it something
>> different. (CouchDB 2.0 Becomes AwesomeDB lol)
>> I understand that alot of people have quite a bit invested in the
>> name CouchDB, at this may not be something realistic, but this just
>> seems like at least another option we should discuss.
>> Just my .02.
>> James
> If the bulk of the Apache CouchDB PMC truly wanted to consider a rename (and
> discussed and [VOTE]d on the matter, then we'd certainly help that to
> happen.  The PMC *is* who gets to decide the project direction.
> But I'm confident that's *not* the case, since several folks have spoken out
> against it.  I personally think it would be a really bad idea to change the
> CouchDB name - especially since CouchDB is arguably the first project that
> gave such brand recognition to the "Couch" name in the noSQL database arena.
> In most trademark issues, I'd think more people would ask why the
> *follow-on* products don't change their names, rather than the original
> product.  But in this case, I'm hoping that the pain of renaming is not
> necessary, and we can reduce user confusion by both improving our own story,
> as well as asking other Couch-named products to better differentiate
> themselves and better give us - this PMC, the committers, and the ASF - the
> credit we deserve for building and shipping Apache CouchDB itself in the
> first place.
> - Shane

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