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From Norman Barker <norman.bar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: multiview on github
Date Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:35:22 GMT
Hi,

are there any more comments on this, if not can you describe the
process (in particular how to obtain a wiki and jira account for
couchdb which I have been unable to do) and I will start documenting
this so we can put this into the trunk.

Bob, were you able to do any more testing with large views, are there
any suggestions on how to speed up the document id inclusion test as
described below?

thanks,

Norman

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Norman Barker <norman.barker@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> thanks for the feedback and for taking a look at the code. Guidelines
> on when to use a supervisor within couchdb with a gen_server would be
> appreciated, currently I have a supervisor and a gen_server, but if
> couchdb has a supervision process I could remove that layer.
>
> I think plugins is a great idea, however intersection of views is such
> as common request, perhaps there needs to plugin system and if a
> plugin is rated enough it goes into trunk as a core feature.
>
> the four (or slightly more) summary is here
>
> http://github.com/normanb/couchdb/raw/trunk/src/couchdb/couch_query_ring.erl
>
> %
> % send an id from the start list to the next node in the ring, if the
> id is in adjacent node then the this node sends to the next ring node
> ....
> % if the id gets all round the ring and back to the start node then is
> has intersected all queries and should be included. The nodes in the
> ring
> % should be sorted in size from small to large for this to be effective
> %
> % In addition send the initial id list round in parallel
>
> it really needs some eyes from the core couchdb coders to see how to
> speed up the inclusion testing, looping is bad even if it is done in
> parallel.
>
> Multiview is usable, I am using it with some pretty big mega-views (as
> per the raindrop) model, I am also available to add features to this
> as this is core part of our work and we want to give it to couch as a
> contribution.
>
> thanks,
>
> Norman
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Robert Dionne
> <dionne@dionne-associates.com> wrote:
>> Hi Norman,
>>
>>  I took a peek at multiview. I haven't followed this too closely on the mailing
list but this is *view intersection*? Is there a 5 line summary of what this does somewhere?
>>
>>  I'm curious as to why the daemon needs to be a supervisor, most if not all of the
other daemons are gen_servers. OTP allows this but I think this is a good area where some
CouchDB guidelines on plugins would apply.
>>
>>  It strikes me that views, the use of map/reduce, etc. are one of the trickier aspects
of using CouchDB, particularly for new users coming from the SQL world. People are also reporting
issues with performance of views, I guess often because reduce functions go out of control.
>>
>>  I think the project would be better served if features like this were available
as plugins. I would put GeoCouch in the same category. Its very neat and timely (given everyone
wants to know where everyone else is using their telephone but without talking other than
asynchronously), but a server plugin architecture that would allow this to be done cleanly
should come first.
>>
>>  This is just my opinion. I'd love to see some of the project founders and committers
weigh in on this and set some direction.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Norman Barker wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to take this multiview code and have it added to trunk if
>>> possible, what are the next steps?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Norman Barker <norman.barker@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> I have made
>>>>
>>>> http://github.com/normanb/couchdb
>>>>
>>>> which is a fork of the latest couchdb trunk with the multiview code
>>>> and tests added.
>>>>
>>>> If geocouch is available then it can still be used.
>>>>
>>>> There are a couple of questions about the multiview on the user /dev
>>>> list so I will be adding some more test cases during today.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Norman
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Norman Barker <norman.barker@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>> this is possible, I forked geocouch since I use it, but I have already
>>>>> separated the geocouch dependencies from the trunk.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can do this tomorrow, certainly be interested in any feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Norman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Volker Mische <volker.mische@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/18/2010 03:26 AM, J Chris Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Norman Barker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have made the changes as recommended, adding a test case
>>>>>>>> multiview.js and also adding the userCtx to open the db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have also forked geocouch and this is available here
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this patch seems important (especially as people are already
asking for
>>>>>>> help using it on user@)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to get it committed, it either must remove the dependency on
GeoCouch, or
>>>>>>> become part of CouchDB when (and if) GeoCouch becomes part of
CouchDB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it possible / useful to make a version that doesn't use GeoCouch?
And
>>>>>>> then to make the GeoCouch capabilities part GeoCouch for now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if the patch is ready for trunk, I'd be happy to move the GeoCouch
bits to
>>>>>> GeoCouch itself (as GeoCouch isn't ready for trunk yet).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lately I haven't been that responsive when it comes to GeoCouch,
but that
>>>>>> will change (in about a month) after holidays and FOSS4G.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>  Volker
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

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