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From Jan Lehnardt <>
Subject Re: Uneasiness with use of github for experimentation
Date Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:21:04 GMT

On 6 Aug 2009, at 15:13, Robert Dionne wrote:

> Git really encourages a more distributed, less centralized approach  
> to development, that allows the centers of gravity to move as they  
> evolve. This is a good and healthy thing in many contexts, perhaps  
> less so in others.
> I'm not sure what the issue is with respect to the CLA. What  
> prevents you from representing a contribution as your original work  
> because it originated in GitHub? How does playing in an internal  
> Apache sandbox solve that?

All ASF committers singed a CLA that says all work committed has been  
done by the committer or has gone through incubator IP clearance. If  
you get a patch on github, that is not your work, when you then commit  
that, you break the CLA. If you do sole development on github, no  
problem, but github encourages the code-collaboration.

> It's important to recognize that not everyone in the CouchDB  
> community is necessarily part of the Apache community. Some are just  
> friendly visitors.

Only members of the Apache community (note: note ASF Members), can  
commit code to ASF SVN.


> Cheers,
> Bob
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Curt Arnold wrote:
>> While I'm bringing up contentious issues, use of github for a  
>> sandbox for developing significant modifications to CouchDB makes  
>> me uneasy.  If I start something on github and accept contributions  
>> and ideas from other uses, I can't represent the eventual patch as  
>> my original work (as required by the CLA).  Also, it reduces the  
>> visibility (barring an explicit opt-in) of the development from the  
>> radar of the PMC and community.  Other ASF projects have created  
>> "sandboxes" in their SVN for experimental work and the threshold  
>> for commit access to the sandbox could be lower than the trunk  
>> (still would require CLA and an Apache account).  Any Apache  
>> committer could use Apache Labs, but since that is not developed  
>> with the oversight of the community that still needs a pass through  
>> the Incubator.  Having a sandbox or labs branch in the CouchDB SVN  
>> would provide a location for non-trunk development that is still  
>> under the oversight of the PMC and community.

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