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Subject: Re: Introducing CouchDB Ltd.
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:25:52 +0100
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Hi Dave,

thanks for your feedback!

On 8 Mar 2009, at 20:23, Dave butlerdi wrote:

> Was quite suprised to see CouchDB Ltd on the slides from the Hadoop  
> meeting
> in Berlin. Was unable to get up there but really think that this is  
> a bad
> move.


> You are an Apache project and this just seems counter productive.

In which way exactly? Getting people paid to advance CouchDB?


> I also
> think that several other projects have become entailed  of this type  
> of
> behaviour and had problems with Apache in the end.

We'd love to hear about past experiences so we can try and avoid
the same mistakes.


> I do not commit, not am I interested in commercialising my  
> experience with
> the product,  but use Couch. However, to use the project name for  
> commercail
> gain by a few does seem wrong.

Like Chris pointed out already, we'll be addressing this issue.

Cheers
Jan
--


> Why not follow the Ruby/Rails example and set
> up a community effort for the provision of services under the  
> CouchDB name.

>
> Just my .02.
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Matthieu Riou  
> <matthieu.riou@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Damien Katz <damien@apache.org>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
>>>
>>> The name of the official project is Apache CouchDB. I see CouchDB as
>> being
>>> like Linux, where (as far as I know anyone) is free to use the  
>>> name. So,
>> IMO
>>> it is completely fair to name a company CouchDB Ltd. But it also  
>>> means
>>> anyone else can name their company CouchDB LLC or The Real CouchDB  
>>> Ltd.
>> This
>>> is a bigger problem. You don't have a defensible trademark.
>>>
>>
>> FWIW, the foundation has defended its project names as trademarks  
>> in the
>> past, gently notifying companies that it'd be nicer if they didn't  
>> use that
>> name (thinking of Tomcat and Wicket here for example). I don't know  
>> how
>> that
>> would stand in court but it's never been necessary to go to a court  
>> so far,
>> so I guess the point is moot.
>>
>> Matthieu
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Damien
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Chris Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Devs,
>>>>
>>>> I've felt the fair-competition argument a little on my own, so  
>>>> hearing
>>>> it from other quarters gives it even greater weight. We're  
>>>> discussing
>>>> ways to proceed that take into account the full community,  
>>>> including
>>>> competitors (of which we hope to have many!)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the perspective, everyone. We'll have more to announce  
>>>> in
>>>> the next few days.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Anderson
>>>> http://jchris.mfdz.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards
>
> Dave Butler
> butlerdi-at-pharm2phork-dot-org
>
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>
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