Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 51582 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2009 13:53:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 13:53:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 49781 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2009 13:53:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 49654 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2009 13:53:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 49643 invoked by uid 99); 5 Feb 2009 13:53:05 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:53:05 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [80.68.94.123] (HELO tumbolia.org) (80.68.94.123) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:52:56 +0000 Received: from nslater by tumbolia.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LV4ei-0006hv-6V for dev@couchdb.apache.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:52:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:52:36 +0000 From: Noah Slater To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Subject: Re: Transactional _bulk_docs Message-ID: <20090205135236.GA25723@tumbolia.org> Mail-Followup-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org References: <7A158DD5-18E6-41EC-89C2-305824536A7A@gmail.com> <064D062D-9293-441E-B425-6FD2B5264E0E@pobox.com> <988C8AAF-E151-40FB-9E1A-000876FE3489@gmail.com> <182D5B6E-D179-470A-8638-B54E3DEF2747@pobox.com> <11E11144-004D-45B8-A503-88FD471953D7@apache.org> <9C8B5F07-856F-495D-AD91-FCA5AB5E31FF@pobox.com> <4E507D2E-88F9-4591-B721-F4343ACA9A9E@apache.org> <393666B7-8444-4D23-A2BA-AD59652A96AE@sauria.com> <0D17D25F-7E88-4F19-96A9-62FC81E2DFC5@pobox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0D17D25F-7E88-4F19-96A9-62FC81E2DFC5@pobox.com> X-Noah: Awesome User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 06:14:26AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > What got me engaged on this wasn't the decision itself (only because it > was a secret decision), but -like Ted - the mode of operation. It > seemed that a very dedicated, engaged and interested community member > had to privately petition the PMC for redress on a technical decision > that none of us had any awareness of, nor a chance to review. And IMO, > from a guy that probably should be a committer and PMC member to boot! I think we dropped the ball with this one. I certainly don't remember being involved in this discussion, though I'm sure someone has logs to prove otherwise. This in itself should be indicative of a larger problem here. I think it was fine that this was discussed on IRC, but the moment it came to the point of needing to do anything about it, or make any decisions based upon it, it should have been written up as a formal proposal and sent to the public mailing list for discussion. I hope that the community reaction to this event will be enough to remind us all to do this in the future. > (By the way - from my count, not all PMC members are even on the PMC's > private@ list, so I have *no clue* where project private discussion - > like new committer candidates - are even discussed....) Can you email the persons not on the private list as a reminder to join? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater