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From Jan Lehnardt <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: preventing compaction from ruining the OS block cache
Date Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:09:23 GMT
moved this to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-271
so it doesn't fall between the cracks.

Cheers
Jan
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On 27 Feb 2009, at 19:32, Damien Katz wrote:

> Oh yeah, one more option that is kind of crazy is to spawn a small  
> external child process for file io. It would be a very small simple  
> process that opens a file and responds to read/write commands from  
> the erlang server. Then we can implement exactly the low level apis  
> and caching behavior desired. The cost is extra IPC, but that should  
> be small compare the the cost of a blown file cache.
>
> -Damien
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Damien Katz wrote:
>
>> The problem is we don't get access to the low level apis or flags  
>> passed in to the OS unless Erlang chooses to expose it. We have  
>> similar problems with compaction on windows because we need special  
>> flags to give us unix file semantics.
>>
>> To fix this, we'll either need the Erlang VM changed or use our own  
>> Erlang file driver interface.
>>
>> -Damien
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Adam Kocoloski wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I've noticed that compacting large DBs pretty much kills any  
>>> filesystem caching benefits for CouchDB.  I believe the problem is  
>>> that the OS (Linux 2.6.21 kernel in my case) is caching blocks  
>>> from the .compact file, even though those blocks won't be read  
>>> again until compaction has finished.  In the meantime, the portion  
>>> of the cache dedicated to the old DB file shrinks and performance  
>>> really suffers.
>>>
>>> I think a better mode of operation would be to advise/instruct the  
>>> OS not to cache any portion of the .compact file until we're ready  
>>> to replace the main DB.  On Linux, specifying the  
>>> POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED option to posix_fadvise() seems like the way  
>>> to go:
>>>
>>> http://linux.die.net/man/2/posix_fadvise
>>>
>>> This link has a little more detail and a usage example:
>>>
>>> http://insights.oetiker.ch/linux/fadvise.html
>>>
>>> Of course, POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED isn't really available from inside  
>>> the Erlang VM.  Perhaps the simplest approach would be to have a  
>>> helper process that we can spawn which calls that function (or its  
>>> equivalent on a non-Linux OS) periodically during compaction?  I'm  
>>> not really sure, but I wanted to get this out on the list for  
>>> discussion.  Best,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>
>
>


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