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From Robert Dionne <>
Subject Re: Fail on a simple case on replication
Date Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:06:38 GMT

Robert Dionne
Chief Programmer

On Feb 24, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Antony Blakey wrote:

> On 24/02/2009, at 10:11 PM, Robert Dionne wrote:
>> I read this thesis ages ago, and technically you are correct, if  
>> somewhat pedantic. I think CouchDB captures the just of being REST- 
>> ful and certainly from a marketing perspective it's timely.
> That's why I say it's a marketing issue. Surely we shouldn't copy  
> Microsoft's marketing tactics and deliberately misuse a term for  
> marketing reasons. The site should say 'HTTP API'.

It's an exaggeration to suggest that CouchDB's use of the term REST  
is akin to Microsoft's marketing tactics. Nor is it a matter of being  
complicit. Your argument that it is not RESTful is similar to saying  
someone is not a good catholic because they eat meat on Fridays and  
subscribe to other reforms of recent vatican councils. REST is an  
interesting idea but let's face it, with all due respect to Roy  
Fielding, it's merely a statement that this is how the web works and  
what makes it work well. It generated excitement I think largely as a  
contrast to the ugliness of SOAP. I'm happy it produced a readable  

In fact the fuzziness of the idea explains why there are so many  
arguments about what's RESTful or not.

>> When I mention to potential customers that CouchDB database are  
>> accessed with URIs they say "oh it uses this new REST stuff,  
>> cool".  Often we have little choice over how the world takes an  
>> idea and runs with it.
> But we don't have to be complicit. And remember this isn't about  
> the world taking an *idea*. It's about people wanting a cool label  
> to stick on their project, even if the label doesn't fit.
> What term would you suggest for a service that fulfills Fielding's  
> definition? Certainly the benefits of being 'RESTful' according to  
> his definition don't flow on to CouchDB, because it's NOT actually  
> RESTful.
> Antony Blakey
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