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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Post mortem request for the handling of the Corinthia podling
Date Sat, 09 Jan 2016 17:10:28 GMT
Hi -

I agree with Dennis and for similar reasons. A combination of personal issues and differences
in concerns about when and how to handle the edges of legal policy occurred.

It became clear that the community was not a good fit with this "situation." The community
"self deported". I use "" to indicate that others might use different words. I don't care
to debate it, these are my current interpretations. I have no desire to "pull the scab" on
this matter.

In addition a post mortem will have a sample size issue. Retirement is happening and this
list is going away. The bulk of the community is long gone.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
> Joe,
> Based on activity and remarks I have observed on other Apache lists, I think that lessons
have been taken from the collapse of the Corinthia podling although not addressed directly
to the Corinthia situation.  
> I looked at the postmortem template and find that it is not very suited to an Apache
project, although some of the items might be responded to.  Also, Corinthia expired pretty-much
during start-up. 
> I have two reservations about engaging in a post mortem.  
> 1. A key breakdown occurred around personnel issues/conficts that played out mainly on
the private Podling Project Management Committee list among the project members and the mentors
together.  Those matters deserve to remain private.  
> 2. As a character in that drama, I must recuse myself from attempting any kind of assessment.
> Bertrand may have something more useful to say based on his broad perspective on Apache
projects and incubation of podlings.
> Regards,
> - Dennis  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Slow Joe []
>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 14:48
>> To:
>> Subject: Post mortem request for the handling of the Corinthia podling
>> (was Re: FYI, I have subscribed to this list and to your private list)
>>> Forming a podling is difficult as if often starts with a team  that
>>> hasn't necessarily chosen to work together. I bet the situation >
>> would
>>> have been very different if you guys had been able to meet in
>>> person,
>>> but in email that's quite hard.
>>> -Bertrand
>> Hi Bertrand
>> I observed the meltdown of the Corinthia podling from a distance with
>> some
>> regret.
>> Since the project is now on the verge of withdrawal from the incubator,
>> could you and Dennis consider whether it would be valuable to
>> collaborate
>> on a blame-free post-mortem describing the events which lead to the end
>> of
>> Corinthia.
>> (A template for a postmortem document is at
>> I would suggest that there are lessons for the Apache Project to learn
>> from
>> this event.
>> Regards
>> Joe

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