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From Edward Zimmermann <Edward.Zimmerm...@cib.de>
Subject AW: the proposal about A Measurement Model of Document Interoperability
Date Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:24:23 GMT
This seems extremely interesting. One of the ideas we've looked at was a kind of lint to check
DOCX for features that don't map or don't map well to ODF. The idea was to be able to flag
MS Office files that use features that won't do well round tripping through AOO/LO.
Been thinking of going from a negative list rather than trying to build a positive one...




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Von: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 16:36
An: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: FW: the proposal about A Measurement Model of Document Interoperability

I had mentioned this work to Peter Kelly a couple of times, and finally got back in touch
with the researcher in Beijing.
 
UOF is the Universal Office Format that was specified in China.  There have been efforts to
harmonize UOF and ODF but I do not know the current state of any effort in that regard.
 
The work that caught my eye in 2013 was a model for metrics about feature preservation in
inter-conversion, weighted by the incidence and importance of a given feature and its drilled-down
finer details.  I have a meeting report about that at < https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201308/msg00003.html>.
 
-   Dennis
 
From: HOU Xia [mailto:houxia@bistu.edu.cn] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 05:56
To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
Subject: Re: the proposal about A Measurement Model of Document Interoperability
 
Hello Dennis
 
I am glad to receive your email. I am interested in your work. But Google website can not
be visit in China. Could your send me your paper, please?  I want to know the detailed about
your work. 
 
About Corinthia, I do not think html5 can describe all the information in document format,
such as OOXML. But for most features, document-format conversion via HTML5 is OK.  We are
doing some similar work and have written a paper but not published. The following is the abstract
of the paper. 
“Abstract: We propose a new type of style markup language to address the advantage of separation
of content and presentation in office document formats, allow the reuse and sharing of styles
in a standard way, and attain good interoperability with HTML/CSS as well as good compatibility
with current UOF specification.  We begin with a review of the development of the office document
format represented by UOF and the web document format HTML/CSS.  We note that in spite of
independent development both types of document format are moving towards separation of content
and presentation, and therefore good interoperability is expected.  We illustrate by example
what the proposed mark-up language could look like and give an example to illustrate its use
in transforming a sample HTML/CSS page into UOF.  In the conclusion we note the importance
of such a mark-up language for the future of the web office or Office 2.0 which is believed
the future of office applications in the age of cloud computing.”
 
I think it is good for us  to let Corinthia Project know our work about the model. But it
is regretful that I will not attend the WG8 meeting in Bellevue. If you have any question
or suggestion, we can connect with email at any time.
 
Best Regards
Xia HOU
 
发件人: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org] 
发送时间: 2015年2月1日 11:11
收件人: '侯霞'
主题: RE: the proposal about A Measurement Model of Document Interoperability
 
 
Hello Xia HOU,
 
I met you when SC34 met in Bellevue, Washington, in 2013.
 
Now WG8 will be meeting in Bellevue, Washington again.
 
I will be a guest.
 
I hope to meet you there.
 
In either case, I have been meaning to communicate with you.
 
Last year I began looking at interoperability and problems of correct tracking of changes
to a document at the level users perceive.  I have presented two papers about that at the
DChanges 2014 Workshop.  It was part of the Document Engineering 2014 Symposium, <https://sites.google.com/site/dchanges14/program>.
 I think the first of my papers, on the Document Format Anti-Pattern, may be of interest to
you.  A post-workshop revision and peer review have concluded.  I will make final changes
and the paper will be available to the public.  I will let you know when it is available.
 
I thought of your work when I began exploring how much needs to be comprehended in terms of
document abstraction and its preservation, along with fidelity of presentation.
 
At the end of 2014, I also became involved in the Apache Corinthia project, which intends
to provide document-format conversion via a decorated HTML5 intermediary.  I am not confident
of that model.  I do think the conversion work will be valuable anyhow.  Information about
Corinthia is at <http://corinthia.incubator.apache.org/>.
 
It is my desire to make information about your work on models and assessment of conversions/interchange
known to the Corinthia Project.  It would be valuable for the project, and for me, in examining
the abstraction of standard document formats in ways where the ability to inter-convert is
measurable.
 
I will be grateful for any recent information that is available that I can share with others
here in the US.
 
Regards,
 
 
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