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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:27:24 +0100
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Subject: Re: Corinthia web and social media
From: jan i <jani@apache.org>
To: "dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org" <dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org>
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On 8 January 2015 at 00:29, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:36 AM, jan i wrote:
>
> > On 7 January 2015 at 04:25, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Dennis,
> >>
> >> I like your style. I'll introduce myself to those who don't know me in
> the
> >> near future.
> >>
> >> What I am grasping for is documentation on the architecture and how Java
> >> based libraries like Apache POI and PDFBox would fit with Corinthia.
> Once I
> >> can understand this then I might be able to lean in with help with
> Office
> >> and PDF.
> >>
> > Hi Dave
> >
> > Welcome aboard. Looking forward to work together with you on this
> project.
> >
> > When Peter and I meet, I looked into especially POI because I think there
> > is a lot we can use there. Peter taught me the benefit of having pure C
> > code due to the different platforms. Without it being written in stone, I
> > as developer, would find it very difficult accepting a second programming
> > language, or the requirement of needing a java runtime. Having said
> that, I
> > have been thinking about if there are java->C converters we could use.
>
> I can see a benefit to one language, but that may really be about how
> tightly coupled the architecture really is and if it is modular enough to
> allow for different languages in the conversion tool chain.
>
> In my case I am thinking about (PDF,PPTX) -> HTML5(SVG) -> Corinthia
> enabled edits -> Responsive and/or Collaborative Presentation.
>
this could be a use case for only using the editor, which uses HTML5.


>
> I have various tools to do conversions I guess I want to do my own convert
> to HTML5 and then have Corinthia help with editing and then handle the
> conversion out.
>
That sounds like a good idea. And then of course we can do something so you
can start the editor (javascript + docformats library) embedded.

>
> I know that a C port of POI is not to interesting to me. There is a .NET
> port - https://npoi.codeplex.com/
>
> If Java will work for at least some conversions then I have an argument
> for my work about open sourcing my Osmosis tool that converts PDF into
> HTML5. The cool part is the way shapes and text is regrouped into layout.If
> it had to be in C then I won't get much traction.
>
Just a few words to describe the complications.

DocFormats is today a static linked C library, it consist of 3 layered
parts (without going into all details):
- At the bottom we have platform/core, that takes care of the data model
(HTML5) and platform dependencies.
- Above that we have the filters, each filter has its own implementation,
so all filters are in parallel
- At the top we the API, the outward facing part of the library (this is by
far not completed).

If you wanted to make a java based filter. You would need to write a
skeleton C filter that can be linked into docformats. The skeleton, would
then need to communicate with the java implementation.

Peter and I discussed making plugable filters a while ago, but decided
against it (for now), because we dont see a lot of different filters.
However now that we are more people working the world might change.

rgds
jan i

>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <
> dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dorte,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the introduction.  So you and Jan talk every day!  That
> >>> is valuable context!
> >>>
> >>> I don't think we have a shared understanding of how the web can
> >>> work for Corinthia.
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate your effort and your skill with the web pages.
> >>>
> >>> Because the web site is responsive, and the Wiki is not, it may be that
> >>> the web site is a better place to gather information.  It might be a
> >>> better place to arrive at with searches on the Internet also.
> >>>
> >>> If the goal is to attract committers on existing Apache projects, it
> >>> is perhaps unclear what questions such persons have about Corinthia
> >>> and the best way to answer them.  It is also not clear what is the
> >>> best way to have their attention and awareness on Corinthia.
> >>>
> >>> Those are all good questions.  Thank you for pointing out that these
> >>> need to be considered.
> >>>
> >>> It is my misunderstanding about the web pages.  I did not understand
> >>> them to be drafts or proposals.  I took them as steps in a desired
> >>> direction.  I did not want to "churn" the pages, and I did not know
> >>> where to start.  I confused myself about passing changes through Jan
> >>> to you.
> >>>
> >>> - Dennis
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Dorte Fjalland [mailto:dortecasacondor@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 15:36
> >>> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Corinthia web and social media
> >>>
> >>> Hi all, Happy New Year. I can see that there has been some
> >>> correspondence now re. the Corinthia  web/social media strategies and
> the
> >>> content so far proposed. I prefer to comment in a new post as I would
> not
> >>> know where else to reply.
> >>>
> >>> I made the current web proposal based on my understanding that the
> >> project
> >>> needed like a kind of "sales brochure" aimed at getting committers from
> >>> other Apache projects involved in Corinthia and therefore a site that
> >> would
> >>> be easy to overview and containing basic/essential information and with
> >>> links to all the serious and detailed stuff to be found in wikis etc.
> >>>
> >>> Reading the various mail threads i get the impression that maybe the
> >>> community should find out who they want to reach and then decide the
> >> tools.
> >>> Re the fb page and the Twitter the members who are active on those
> medias
> >>> can be editors/admins and provide content, but again, you can do this
> >> with
> >>> the intention of attracting new people and or a way of communicating (
> in
> >>> public and with the purpose of attracting attention/new people).
> >>>
> >>> I am sorry to read that the web site proposal has been seen as a
> private
> >>> and already agreed on job. This was not the intention. Anyhow, if some
> of
> >>> you don't know it, then Jan is my husband and we do talk ... also about
> >>> Corinthia. Before I retired to Southern Spain together with Jan I used
> to
> >>> work with web journalism and information strategies.
> >>>
> >>> All for now, looking forward to hearing your comments.
> >>> Dorte
> >>>
> >>
>
>

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