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Subject: Re: time for our first "board" report.
From: jan i <jani@apache.org>
To: "dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org" <dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org>,
	Dennis Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
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Sorry for top posting.

We dont want gatekeepers, I have updated the podling report with my
suggestions

link is https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
Search for Corinthia.

If you dont have a wiki account, and want changes....either make a wiki
account, or mail the list and I will do the edit.

Report will be frozen wednesday 7 of january.

rgds
jan i.


On 31 December 2014 at 20:41, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
wrote:

> Minor technicality: It's our first Incubator report.
>
>   -- replying below to --
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:03
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
> Subject: Re: time for our first "board" report.
>
> On 31 December 2014 at 17:32, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> wrote:
>
> > The copied material below is very difficult to follow.  I find it more
> > useful to look at the material in the form it is in at
> > <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015>.
> >
> If we agree on it, I can add my suggestions to the wiki. I was just
> hesitating to make "my" wording public, before the community at large had
> their say.
>
> <orcmid>
>    It is easier to see it in context, and those new to this can see
>    how other podlings work out their reports.
> </orcmid>
>
> >
> > Questions:
> >  1. When must this be completed and signed off so the shepherd can
> >     add remarks, mentors can sign off, and it is available on time
> >     for inclusion in the IPMC report to the board?
> >
> If you look at the top of the wiki page, you will see (extract):
>
> January 7, report due.
> January 11, shepherd review
> January 13, mentor signoff
>
> Our shepherd is Raphael Bircher, which some of us know from AOO. I will
> contact him directly once we agree on the report.
>
>
> >
> >  2. This file is available for anyone to edit (committers at least).
> >     Is there some objection to having anyone with Incubator Wiki
> >     editing rights from also working on this report?  It is unusual
> >     in my experience for there to be so much gatekeeping.  (Of
> >     course there should be accounting for changes and discussion
> >     here.)
> >
> I would prefer that we make one edit once we agree. I would NOT like to use
> that wiki as our discussion place. Actually I have to say this a bit
> stronger, if we all edit that file, I will not edit it.
>
> I strongly feel, we should NOT make our answers available on that wiki
> before we agree on the content. I promise for next month our wiki will be
> up and running, and then our report will be available there. On OUR wiki I
> agree that everybody shall edit directly, and once agreed to ONE PPMC, move
> the responses to the incubator Wiki.
>
> I hope the difference between OUR discussion and PUBLIC discussion are
> clear...we as a community must be able to discuss freely, without going
> public.
>
> <orcmid>
>    I have never seen a situation where this was a problem.
>    I can't imagine it being a problem with the project being so small.
>    It is true that if there is disagreement, it should not turn into
>    edit wars on the wiki.  It should be discussed on the list.
>    My experience is that there is collaborative refinement and it all
>    works by effective consensus.
>       I am concerned that we're putting too much friction into this
>    pretty-straightforward activity.
> </orcmid>
>
> We have a problem this month, because I have not had enough spare cycles to
> make our wiki available, hence the "rescue" procedure. If needed I can
> extract the question, and my suggested answer.
>
> <orcmid>
>    Please do.
> </orcmid>
>
> <orcmid>
>    I don't understand the quandary here.
>    I am concerned that there is too much gate-keeping and that
>    makes the gate-keeper a bottleneck.
>    I'm not certain what is being rescued either.  There are 7 days
>    to work this out.
> </orcmid>
>
> @dennis please read my words positively, because in essence I agree with
> transparency....but towards our community, not the world.
>
> <orcmid>
>    It seems that there are different ideas about community as it is
>    and we wish it to become.  We are already visible to the world
>    that wants to pay attention.  The ASF sets up that way.  Part of
>    transparency has to do with visibility to future interested
>    parties and also their recognition of how accountability is
>    demonstrated here.
> </orcmid>
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 07:05
> > To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: time for our first "board" report.
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > The procedure for podling reports is pretty simple.
> >
> > - For the first 3 month we have to submit a report every month, then
> every
> > 3 month.
> > - Reports are done in the wiki
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
> > - It is the PPMC responsibility to fill out the reports.
> > - The mentors must sign off the report, for it to be accepted.
> >
> >
> > The report follow a template, I have copied it below, look for
> > "TO_BE_AGREED_ON", that is our text. I have made a proposal but hope to
> get
> > many comments:
> >
> > --------------------CorinthiaCorinthia is a toolkit/application for
> > converting between and editing commonoffice file formats, with an
> > initial focus on word processing. It is designedto cater for multiple
> > classes of platforms - desktop, web, and mobile - andrelies heavily on
> > web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript forrepresenting and
> > manipulating documents. The toolkit is small, portable, andflexible,
> > with minimal dependencies. The target audience is developers wishingto
> > include office viewing, conversion, and editing functionality into
> > theirapplications.Corinthia has been incubating since 2014-12-08.Three
> > most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:  1.
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, complete the move to ASF infrastructure  2.
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Discuss and decide on a medium term roadplan  3.
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Grow the communityAny issues that the Incubator PMC
> > (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?TO_BE_AGREED_ON none.How
> > has the community developed since the last report?TO_BE_AGREED_ON We
> > have spend a lot of mail on getting acquainted and finding the
> > strength of each other.
> >
> > Now discussion are flowing freely. We have consensus on PPMC ==
> > Committer as long as we are in incubator.How has the project developed
> > since the last report?
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, We are working hard on making a stable kernel, so we
> > can more easily add more developers.
> >  Date of last release: TO_BE_AGREED_ON  noneWhen were the last
> > committers or PMC members elected?TO_BE_AGREED_ON 31-12-2014 added 1
> > committer/PPMCSigned-off-by:   [ ](corinthia) Daniel Gruno  [
> > ](corinthia) Jan IversenShepherd/Mentor notes:--------------------
> >
> > I will update the wiki once we have agreed to the text, and ask daniel
> > to sign together with me.
> >
> > Looking forward to hear your comments.
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
>
>

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