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From jan i <>
Subject Re: change if wiki ?
Date Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:16:01 GMT
On 18 January 2015 at 20:02, Dennis E. Hamilton <>

> Thanks Dave, all of that is good to know.
>  -- replying below to --
> From: Dave Fisher []
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:23
> To:
> Subject: Re: change if wiki ?
> Hi -
> FWIW - I still have Confluence Admin rights left over from setting up AOO
> cwikis.
> On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > My concern for the current wiki is it appears to be totally captive and
> anything committed to it lies in that embrace forever.  (The export
> functions are to limited forms and it is not clear they are a good way to
> produce content while working off-line.)
> I'll note that on the Tools dropdown there is a view storage format that
> gives a window to grab html.
> <orcmid>
>   In my case, a better tool for grabbing HTML is Microsoft OneNote, which
> puts it into an editable form.
>   That doesn't help much when it comes to contributing to the Wiki though.
>      Although the tool says "source," it presents it in a browser Windows
> in rich form,
>   not the underlying source.
> </ormid>
> There is also an Export to Word and PDF. These can be controlled with
> templates.
> There is also a Source Editor if you want to fiddle with the HTML directly.
> <orcmid>
>    How do I get to the Source Editor?  I must have missed it.
>    (I don't think any of this satisfies my itch to be able to work off-line
>    and then commit, which I can do with any flavor of web site under ASF
>    SVN.
> </orcmid>
> > Confluence authoring is apparently required to be in a browser (or via
> the REST API, which is too much of a reach).  I would love to find out that
> is not the case, but I have failed to determine what the plaintext form of
> text submission is, and the help button is not useful in knowing otherwise.
> It appears from the documentation that the canonical form of the content is
> XML and can be used to backup and restore pages.
> You can put in html directly.
> <orcmid>
>    I really don't want to be entering HTML directly through a
>    browser or web connection.  I have the feeling that the
>    HTML is not shown once entered, it is always echoed back
>    in rich form.  Makes me crazy.
>      I would prefer a plaintext markup language, whether markdown
>    or any of the wikiText formats that are around already. I
>    recognize that is not entry level stuff, and a rich-form
>    editor might be preferable.  It is just a problem when the
>    rich form is the only option.
>      I do have good plaintext editing tools and also HTML
>    editing tools for off-line use.  Most wiki-like sites
>    have good review before commit support too.
>      The stuff that is hard to do in HTML is add wiki links
>    and create wiki-recognized anchors.  I'd have to learn
>    exactly what the Confluence auto-completes do, I suppose.
> </orcmid>
> >
> > I guess this means proceed at your own risk.
> >
> > 3. Cutting the Knot?
> >
> > So I started using the JIRA as a way to capture ideas and notes until
> there is better understanding of Atlassian Confluence and the Gliffy
> Confluence Plugin.
> [ ... ]
> I am comfortable with whatever workflow works for you.
> <orcmid>
>   Thanks.  I will muddle along for now.
>   Since I work on more than one project
>   (at ASF and elsewhere), having this
>   particular Wiki as yet another tool
>   to learn where nothing I already have
>   at hand works really threw me, as
>   you can see.
> </orcmid>

I too prefer offline work.  I found these 3 links, they may solve some of
your problems:

have fun
jan i

> Regards,
> Dave
> [ ... ]

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