Mailing-List: contact dev-help@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
Received-SPF: softfail (athena.apache.org: transitioning domain of
 dennis.hamilton@acm.org does not designate 216.234.124.50 as permitted
 sender)
Reply-To: <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
To: <dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Building on Windows (was RE: Anybody who know how to write .cmd or
 .bat files for windows ?)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:41:16 -0800
Organization: NuovoDoc
Message-ID: <00ae01d02531$c0e56a30$42b03e90$@acm.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thread-index: AdAlKDO0ngDMtXPyQt+nMHkF70GhyA==
Content-Language: en-us
Received-SPF: softfail (supercp.com: domain of transitioning
 dennis.hamilton@acm.org does not designate 97.113.57.118 as permitted sender)

  -- replying below to --
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:22
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: Anybody who know how to write .cmd or .bat files for =
windows ?

On 31 December 2014 at 17:32, Dennis E. Hamilton =
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
wrote:

> -1 on using a prepackaged combination of the dependencies.
>
> It is only simpler locally, not globally.
>
> That is just moving the pea, and it means there is now an external
> activity that committers must understand and someone has to maintain =
when
> there are updates, security patches, etc., to the dependencies.  It =
also
> raises provenance issues.  (I note that none of the sources have =
hashes or
> signatures already, or else I missed them, and they include a variety =
of
> .exe files.)
>
> If we are concerned about obsolescence or inaccessibility of the =
sources,
> there might need to be a backup arrangement.  That might be a better =
use of
> Apache Extras.
>

May I say in a positive tone, I really hope to meet you in person at =
ACNA.
You have a way of expressing the small undefinable worries in my =
stomach.

A -1 with a good reason, calls for a discussion !!! so let me try to =
break
this down into a couple of questions:
(feel free to flame me, it I got it wrong).

Assumption: we want windows developer to have an easy start with =
corinthia,
and we dont want people to install things like cygwin.

<orcmid>
   I think it is more that we don't want Cygwin *required* to build on
   Windows.  I just used MSYS2 to run the batch script this way:

   orcmid@Astraendo2 /d/Apache/corinthia/git/incubator-corinthia
   $ ./external/fetch_downloads.bat
   "zlib128-dll.zip"
   "iconv-1.9.2.win32.zip"
   "libxml2-2.7.8.win32.zip"
   "SDL2-devel-2.0.3-VC.zip"
   "SDL2_image-devel-2.0.0-VC.zip"

   orcmid@Astraendo2 /d/Apache/corinthia/git/incubator-corinthia
   $

   I don't know if Cygwin will do the same.  A shame if not.
   Notice that differences in file-system path approaches are
   avoided by no parameters into fetch_downloads.bat, and everything
   internal to the batch file operates in the native Windows view.
</orcmid>

Questions:
- Dennis already made a .bat to download the original source (which I
clearly prefer), can we make the extraction as a .bat also (from what I
understand it is doable, but need to be adjusted if we upgrade) ?

<orcmid>
   Yes, I believe the extraction can be done using batch scripts
   too.  I assume anything we have might need to be adjusted on
   upgrades, even the fetch procedures.
     I am investigating whether I can have the extraction done
   without any new tool requirement.  If not, it will be necessary
   to have a Windows version of 7zip or unzip installed.  Stay
   tuned.
</orcmid>

- What is the back side of having to simple .bat scripts ?
- Products like Cygwin, have scared AOO developers, so I dont want we
depend on such products, do we agree on this ?
  (Windows developers in general only like visual studio, and maybe a
couple of external libs)

<orcmid>
    We haven't dealt with compiling and building yet.  There is more
    to figure out for that. I think it should be viewed as independent
    of the fetching and extraction of external dependencies though.
</orcmid>

- Is this a temporary situation or will we always need external =
libraries ?
- Peter made a suggestion, can we somehow learn from that, if we cannot
make a .bat for extraction.

<orcmid>
   Um, Peter's suggestion involves fetching a .zip, so we are back to =
the
   previously-unsolved problem.  My objection is not about downloading
   Zips, but where they come from and who builds them.
</orcmid>

rgds
jan i

>
>  - Dennis
>
>  -- above in reply to --
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 23:17
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Anybody who know how to write .cmd or .bat files for =
windows ?
>
> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Peter Kelly <pmkelly@apache.org> =
wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
> > I propose a simpler solution ;)
> >
> >
> >
> =
http://downloads.uxproductivity.com/corinthia/corinthia-externals-2014123=
1.zip
>
>
> @dennis thanks fir all your investigation work.
> +1 to having the prepared files at uxproductivity (and later apache =
extras)
> and then use the script from dennis to fetch is.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>