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From Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Date Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:58:59 GMT
The problem is that Kitkat is still 18.1% of the current devices out there,
which includes all the failed experiment devices that Google had released.
That would be dropping a lot of things by the wayside.

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Simon MacDonald <simon.macdonald@gmail.com
> wrote:

> +1 from me as well.
>
> If we can move to Android 5.0 (API 21) and later that would be a huge win
> as all of those devices can use the Android System WebView
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
> google.android.webview&hl=en>
> which
> gives us a more consistent target.
>
> Simon Mac Donald
> http://simonmacdonald.com
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Kerri Shotts <kerrishotts@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > ~ Kerri
> >
> > > On Jun 12, 2017, at 13:22, Trevor Brindle <tabrindle@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 makes sense to me. Ensuring testability and not making heroic
> measures
> > > to continue support an old OS is a good reason to me.
> > >
> > > TrevorBrindle
> > > Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > > SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > > C: (407) 450-8700
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > >> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <maj.fil@gmail.com>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regarding Trevor's question:
> > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
> dropping
> > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can
drop
> > >> after
> > >>>>> this?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to
keep
> up
> > >>>> with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
> > >>>> we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on
> emulators
> > >>>> on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions
up to
> > >>>> and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
> > >>>> dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I
> don't
> > >>>> have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon +
Joe.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I
> suggest
> > >>>> that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk
up
> > >>>> for the next cordova-android major release?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
> > >>>> for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+
> App+Testing
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <
> tabrindle@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS
that had
> > >> its
> > >>>>> first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old),
> especially
> > >>>>> considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before
4.4.
> > >>> Less
> > >>>>> than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole,
and
> less
> > >>> than
> > >>>>> 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
> dropping
> > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can
drop
> > >> after
> > >>>>> this?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
> > >>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would happily drop support for anything less than API level
19 in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> next cordova-android major release.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Simon Mac Donald
> > >>>>> http://simonmacdonald.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <maj.fil@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what
the
> > >>>>>> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> +1
> > >>>>>>> Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe
I thought we
> > >>> were
> > >>>>>>> already there.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>>>> risingj.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hey
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Even though everything appears to be working on
Jellybean, I
> > >> know a
> > >>>> lot
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside.
 Normally,
> > >> for
> > >>>> us
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl
it goes below
> > >>> 10%,
> > >>>>>> but
> > >>>>>>>> since Jellybean consists of three different API
versions, and
> > >> since
> > >>>> two
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just
toss it by the
> > >>>> wayside
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> set the minimum supported version of Android to
4.4.x, or API
> > >> level
> > >>>> 19.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> How do people feel about that.  I know in the past,
people were
> > >>> super
> > >>>>>>>> passionate about supporting everything, but given
that my
> Android
> > >>> 4.1
> > >>>>>>>> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before
we even became
> > >>> Adobe,
> > >>>>>> and it
> > >>>>>>>> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb,
I'm really
> > >>> starting
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Joe
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> ---------
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> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> TrevorBrindle
> > >>>>> Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > >>>>> SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > >>>>> C: (407) 450-8700
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

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