Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FA9200C86 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:11:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 4FA68160BB6; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 7791B160BB3 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15771 invoked by uid 500); 25 Apr 2017 23:11:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cordova.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 15759 invoked by uid 99); 25 Apr 2017 23:11:41 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:11:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 6E986C074C for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:11:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.38 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.38 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uz9sp6LM-C2G for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-f51.google.com (mail-it0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 740CC5FC7E for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 70so28864949ita.0 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:11:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=K/XfSV6pcIFO/HFdr74ziA3vB/+FgdEDxD2TvFSkXrc=; b=lgl/lBmSoMsBMRsh4f2QtezVtVUlmF8ire6svjA7epHSHzEhSYGbcntMp0NqS/QjlX KenWuHCa9YgaW0TQ1E1sdK5O/+f41HlcK7CyHkpgtSSvLFofAjMRiCnXxV6ejx2pUQYQ mR3Zd4rnWUnSIbY2XjfzOnF1X3oDIZWIyz2Ctfl94c9bzTRwvh2dmV/xB7lHZcUHlSNP K+q4tQl0zZuOLOZFzqtTjw1HYjifq8X17PRIa1ZzwHVB38tJUTnHv1uJi6DUUIScmuCs hsH0iJ+7X11ZD4GIjiPe6C9gsd90WvPJYGj2QxZgMfSv53FywPkaHTBWXWFzU2hW2wTm HysQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=K/XfSV6pcIFO/HFdr74ziA3vB/+FgdEDxD2TvFSkXrc=; b=PIVJqcR1sZ91e/pQzN6yEFdOzegZdVd3eO1pQ/N6rNQVDnP9N9VpoEAc2iBbuyJqx+ UAJImnHXdBgl29hidIX6TmDijdziBua7xJhdPiOO7UZAhGUKqJmiapqLyJWnsS6Fl03E dUvrW8fJPitG4fW5bl0/9GiWi57+dFTji91jkO6qxBCiJaI30Obn8Aqhpz+dJE7blprp xMtJYmRaIr7uzKTdHc3FDLYcQkVDQ8h44shgLgpeXGKbQNJvNU3iB+MrXUm31+oC94SI XmOWLa3UiTH3JcRE6rpOYudyq8hHgHN04/bms2QbQDUCUrftoudT/t8G0tWIHXTuZojP CclQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/4wOvCSbmsHPoZTS/aDCd++HkW37voyKqN8LQys834V5bob1BgO +Y78OPTKsWNWVi8/GkU= X-Received: by 10.36.86.142 with SMTP id o136mr3862961itb.69.1493161898647; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([24.100.134.74]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 141sm843786ioe.47.2017.04.25.16.11.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerri Shotts Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_32FB2229-95AC-47CF-B626-8AC6D219061D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: [CORE PLUGINS] Expansion of features needs to be discussed in dev@ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 18:11:35 -0500 References: To: dev@cordova.apache.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1A83FBD8-A98D-48F9-A991-AF0702C58E7F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) archived-at: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:11:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_32FB2229-95AC-47CF-B626-8AC6D219061D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +1 as well :-) ~ Kerri > On Apr 25, 2017, at 17:34, Steven Gill wrote: > > +1. Agree to all of this. > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > >> I know some of the plugins (all of them?) call out at the top of the >> docs that they are based on standards. I think we should be more >> dilligent in referencing those specs when discussing/weighing changes >> to the APIs. >> >> It would be a lot easier to maintain a stance such as "this does not >> follow the spec, thus we cannot accept it" if we walked the walk and >> didn't just talk the talk. By that I mean that we should put effort >> in: >> a) modernizing the plugins that are still valuable, >> b) making the hard decisions to remove outdated plugins, and >> c) blogging/documenting transition paths for consumers of plugins we >> decide to get rid of >> >> The sooner we do this the less of a burden on the project. >> >> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:56 PM, julio cesar sanchez >> wrote: >>> Whenever I see a PR for a new feature I tell the author to send a mail to >>> discuss it, most of them don't do it. >>> >>> >>> 2017-04-25 22:22 GMT+02:00 Simon MacDonald : >>> >>>> Hey Shazon, >>>> >>>> I agree with this goal. Our plugins were based upon W3C standards as >>>> they existed when the plugins were created. The standards have moved >>>> on and we haven't had as much time as we would like to stay in sync. A >>>> number of core plugins have been superseded by API's already available >>>> in browsers (I'm looking at you, cordova-plugin-device-motion). >>>> >>>> Changes to any of the core plugins should align themselves with W3C >>>> specs so we can increase code reuse across platforms and decrease our >>>> support and maintenance costs. >>>> >>>> >>>> Simon Mac Donald >>>> http://simonmacdonald.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Shazron wrote: >>>>> Resources are limited and we can barely keep up with all the core >> plugin >>>>> work that needs to be done, so we have to have a process with dealing >>>> with >>>>> desired features that community members send out as PRs. >>>>> >>>>> Firstly I want to acknowledge that external contributions are valued >>>> highly >>>>> by the team, but they need to fulfill Cordova's goals and not be a >>>>> maintenance burden on the project. >>>>> >>>>> GOAL: >>>>> Core plugins should conform to standards whenever possible, and we >> should >>>>> not add new features nor expand existing features without a consensus >> on >>>>> dev@ >>>>> >>>>> ROADMAP: >>>>> I will be putting out another thread where I will propose a concrete >>>>> roadmap for the existing core plugins -- listing those that will make >> the >>>>> maintenance cut, and/or listing those that are scheduled for sunset. >> So >>>> put >>>>> your two cents there. >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org >>>> >>>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org >> >> --Apple-Mail=_32FB2229-95AC-47CF-B626-8AC6D219061D--