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From "Ryan J. Salva" <rsa...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
Date Fri, 18 Mar 2016 00:23:01 GMT
Keep in mind that the answers are limited to the technologies that Stack Overflow chooses to
offer in their list of options. They have an "other" option with a text box, but people's
answers are largely driven by the checkbox options.




Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager
Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
rsalva@microsoft.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:21 PM
To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com> wrote:

> As I told some of my co-workers today:
>
> If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “% of developers 
> who are developing with the language or tech but have not expressed 
> interest in continuing to do so.” Clearly, it’s not a good list to be 
> on, but developer behavior also doesn’t reflect their stated intent. 
> NPM Stats show the number of Cordova downloads has actually doubled 
> since the same time last year.
>
> Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on… I’m just not 
> sure what to make of it given developer behavior.
>

I'd rather be on that list instead of not be on any list.  I'd be more concerned with the
fact that we're on the "Losers" section of the trending tech with a 7% decrease in the number
of questions, which indicate that people either have no problems (not very likely) or are
just giving up.  I haven't been answering questions on Stack for a while, mostly because they're
using some third party framework like ionic or something else.

I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova, and not PhoneGap, Ionic, Taco
or the other distributions.


>
>
> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for Apache 
> Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> 425 706 5270 office
> 206 612 5079 mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:08 PM
> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Never trust people's answers when you ask them what they like! They 
> > are almost always wrong, and will tell you what they think they 
> > like, or think they will seem cooler if they liked.
> >
> >
> +1
>
> It's interesting that CoffeeScript is on this list and that it passed 
> Cordova in most dreaded.  I also wonder what would happen if we went 
> on the WordPress mailing list and talked about how people were so 
> unhappy with WordPress.
>
>
> >
> > > On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:04 AM, julio cesar sanchez 
> > > <jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 2016 survey is out
> > >
> > > Most Dreaded technologies:
> > >
> > > Visual Basic            79.5%
> > > WordPress              74.3%
> > > Matlab                     72.8%
> > > Sharepoint              72.1%
> > > CoffeeScript            71.0%
> > > LAMP                      68.7%
> > > Cordova                  66.9%
> > > Salesforce               65.4%
> > > Other                       61.5%
> > > Perl                         61.3%
> > > SQL Server & SQL 60.3%
> > > Objective-C             60.2%
> > >
> > >
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fsta
> > ck 
> > overflow.com%2fresearch%2fdeveloper-survey-2016%23technology-most-lo
> > ve
> > d-dreaded-and-wanted&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7c342aabb
> > 95 
> > ca84607ba2608d34ec16bfe%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata
> > =x SvTHrkLQ7Z4Z7CTctZ4rjFxaznfrPKVjqCkMzcUIpk%3d
> >
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