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From Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhi...@microsoft.com>
Subject Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
Date Fri, 18 Mar 2016 18:18:07 GMT
I have been guilty of not spending too much time on stackoverflow answering questions. It’s
on my TODO list. For those who have, what are there general themes of improvement here that
will make a huge impact? 

I remember Julio summarized this last year [1] and I believe we have made progress on a lot
of these – docs, PATH setup. Though the impact of our docs work is yet to be seen – we
just did a big update in terms of organization [2]. There’s probably more to be done in
terms of docs – tutorials, examples for plugin API usage, integration with other tools like
gulp, browserify etc. What are other good candidates for improvement?

I found it interesting that our own survey [3] in October had somewhat high Net promoter score
(NPS).

[1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cordova-dev/201504.mbox/%3CetPan.552c9004.643c9869.b8b8@Kerris-MacBook-Pro.local%3E
[2] https://cordova.apache.org/announcements/2016/03/03/docs-improvement.html
[3] https://apachecordovabot.typeform.com/report/BCc5co/JQLG

On 3/17/16, 5:55 PM, "Carlos Santana" <csantana23@gmail.com> wrote:

>I agree Joe
>
>It's easy to create a stackoverflow subscription that emails you once a
>day.
>
>I have one that covers "cordova" "worklight" "mobilefirst"
>
>I tried to answer what I can, but reading it daily which is not every day
>that I get something probably most every other day with a few.
>
>At least reading all the new questions gives me a sense on what people are
>having problems on.
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:46 PM Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BTW: The last one was a joke.  But in all honesty, we should all spend a
>> bit more time on Stack seeing what's going on there with our respective
>> products/distributions.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Keep in mind that the answers are limited to the technologies that Stack
>> >> Overflow chooses to offer in their list of options. They have an "other"
>> >> option with a text box, but people's answers are largely driven by the
>> >> checkbox options.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > So, we somehow pissed off the Stack Overflow guys???
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager
>> >> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
>> >> rsalva@microsoft.com
>> >> 425 706 5270 office
>> >> 206 612 5079 mobile
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:21 PM
>> >> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > As I told some of my co-workers today:
>> >> >
>> >> > If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “% of developers
>> >> > who are developing with the language or tech but have not expressed
>> >> > interest in continuing to do so.” Clearly, it’s not a good list
to be
>> >> > on, but developer behavior also doesn’t reflect their stated intent.
>> >> > NPM Stats show the number of Cordova downloads has actually doubled
>> >> > since the same time last year.
>> >> >
>> >> > Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on… I’m just
not
>> >> > sure what to make of it given developer behavior.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I'd rather be on that list instead of not be on any list.  I'd be more
>> >> concerned with the fact that we're on the "Losers" section of the
>> trending
>> >> tech with a 7% decrease in the number of questions, which indicate that
>> >> people either have no problems (not very likely) or are just giving
>> up.  I
>> >> haven't been answering questions on Stack for a while, mostly because
>> >> they're using some third party framework like ionic or something else.
>> >>
>> >> I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova, and not
>> >> PhoneGap, Ionic, Taco or the other distributions.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for Apache
>> >> > Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
>> >> > 425 706 5270 office
>> >> > 206 612 5079 mobile
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:08 PM
>> >> > To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
>> >> > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Never trust people's answers when you ask them what they like!
They
>> >> > > are almost always wrong, and will tell you what they think they
>> >> > > like, or think they will seem cooler if they liked.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > +1
>> >> >
>> >> > It's interesting that CoffeeScript is on this list and that it passed
>> >> > Cordova in most dreaded.  I also wonder what would happen if we went
>> >> > on the WordPress mailing list and talked about how people were so
>> >> > unhappy with WordPress.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:04 AM, julio cesar sanchez
>> >> > > > <jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > 2016 survey is out
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Most Dreaded technologies:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Visual Basic            79.5%
>> >> > > > WordPress              74.3%
>> >> > > > Matlab                     72.8%
>> >> > > > Sharepoint              72.1%
>> >> > > > CoffeeScript            71.0%
>> >> > > > LAMP                      68.7%
>> >> > > > Cordova                  66.9%
>> >> > > > Salesforce               65.4%
>> >> > > > Other                       61.5%
>> >> > > > Perl                         61.3%
>> >> > > > SQL Server & SQL 60.3%
>> >> > > > Objective-C             60.2%
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fsta
>> >> > > ck
>> >> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=overflow.com&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cf296b880892e4372223b08d34ec812d5%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=w7c9NLd0Zo0MFjcJaXEXjEuljJxh2fs5OGv9FurbcTk%3d
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>> >> > > ve
>> >> > > d-dreaded-and-wanted&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com
>> %7c342aabb
>> >> > > 95
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>> >> > >
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