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From Robert Posener <rposen...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
Date Tue, 29 Mar 2016 05:08:08 GMT
Gerday all,
Because of the serious nature of this thread, I have produced a 6-page
contribution of issues together with recommendations for fixing them in the
attachment to this email.

Regards

Rob Posener

Regards
*Rob Posener*
0419 012 627

On 19 March 2016 at 08:31, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't entirely agree with this, since usually we do respond.  We don't
> just accept things that get thrown at us, which I think is the expectation.
>
> I think we need to make sure we come to some resolution and actually solve
> the problem in a timely manner.  We've had both extremes of discussing a
> problem to death and cowboy coding, and neither extreme works well.
>
> As for getting there, I have no idea.  Any thoughts?
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 2:23 PM Raghav Katyal <rakatyal@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I guess responding to JIRA quickly and acting on contributors' PRs could
> > be candidates for improvement.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 11:18 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
> >
> > I have been guilty of not spending too much time on stackoverflow
> > answering questions. It’s on my TODO list. For those who have, what are
> > there general themes of improvement here that will make a huge impact?
> >
> > I remember Julio summarized this last year [1] and I believe we have made
> > progress on a lot of these – docs, PATH setup. Though the impact of our
> > docs work is yet to be seen – we just did a big update in terms of
> > organization [2]. There’s probably more to be done in terms of docs –
> > tutorials, examples for plugin API usage, integration with other tools
> like
> > gulp, browserify etc. What are other good candidates for improvement?
> >
> > I found it interesting that our own survey [3] in October had somewhat
> > high Net promoter score (NPS).
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fmail-archives.apache.org%2fmod_mbox%2fcordova-dev%2f201504.mbox%2f%253CetPan.552c9004.643c9869.b8b8%40Kerris-MacBook-Pro.local%253E&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=dPkMBS3I8mA7uqmezeLaxknf4ujYsmymcco50y9piYg%3d
> > [2]
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2016%2f03%2f03%2fdocs-improvement.html&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=fYJCb131SFY%2bAA0RS2cxrDyf3m74EAHSGPuhd6oR7xo%3d
> > [3]
> >
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> >
> > On 3/17/16, 5:55 PM, "Carlos Santana" <csantana23@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I agree Joe
> > >
> > >It's easy to create a stackoverflow subscription that emails you once a
> > >day.
> > >
> > >I have one that covers "cordova" "worklight" "mobilefirst"
> > >
> > >I tried to answer what I can, but reading it daily which is not every
> > >day that I get something probably most every other day with a few.
> > >
> > >At least reading all the new questions gives me a sense on what people
> > >are having problems on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:46 PM Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> BTW: The last one was a joke.  But in all honesty, we should all
> > >> spend a bit more time on Stack seeing what's going on there with our
> > >> respective products/distributions.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Ryan J. Salva
> > >> > <rsalva@microsoft.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Keep in mind that the answers are limited to the technologies
that
> > >> >> Stack Overflow chooses to offer in their list of options. They
have
> > an "other"
> > >> >> option with a text box, but people's answers are largely driven
by
> > >> >> the checkbox options.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> > So, we somehow pissed off the Stack Overflow guys???
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for
> > >> >> Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> > >> >> 425 706 5270 office
> > >> >> 206 612 5079 mobile
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:21 PM
> > >> >> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> > >> >> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ryan J. Salva
> > >> >> <rsalva@microsoft.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > As I told some of my co-workers today:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “%
of
> > >> >> > developers who are developing with the language or tech but
have
> > >> >> > not expressed interest in continuing to do so.” Clearly,
it’s
> > >> >> > not a good list to be on, but developer behavior also doesn’t
> > reflect their stated intent.
> > >> >> > NPM Stats show the number of Cordova downloads has actually
> > >> >> > doubled since the same time last year.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on…
I’m just
> > >> >> > not sure what to make of it given developer behavior.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'd rather be on that list instead of not be on any list.  I'd
be
> > >> >> more concerned with the fact that we're on the "Losers" section
of
> > >> >> the
> > >> trending
> > >> >> tech with a 7% decrease in the number of questions, which indicate
> > >> >> that people either have no problems (not very likely) or are just
> > >> >> giving
> > >> up.  I
> > >> >> haven't been answering questions on Stack for a while, mostly
> > >> >> because they're using some third party framework like ionic or
> > something else.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova,
and
> > >> >> not PhoneGap, Ionic, Taco or the other distributions.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools
for
> > >> >> > Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> > >> >> > 425 706 5270 office
> > >> >> > 206 612 5079 mobile
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
> > >> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:08 PM
> > >> >> > To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> > >> >> > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers
happy?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > Never trust people's answers when you ask them what
they like!
> > >> >> > > They are almost always wrong, and will tell you what
they
> > >> >> > > think they like, or think they will seem cooler if they
liked.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > +1
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > It's interesting that CoffeeScript is on this list and that
it
> > >> >> > passed Cordova in most dreaded.  I also wonder what would
happen
> > >> >> > if we went on the WordPress mailing list and talked about
how
> > >> >> > people were so unhappy with WordPress.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:04 AM, julio cesar sanchez
> > >> >> > > > <jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> > >> >> > > wrote:
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > 2016 survey is out
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Most Dreaded technologies:
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Visual Basic            79.5%
> > >> >> > > > WordPress              74.3%
> > >> >> > > > Matlab                     72.8%
> > >> >> > > > Sharepoint              72.1%
> > >> >> > > > CoffeeScript            71.0%
> > >> >> > > > LAMP                      68.7%
> > >> >> > > > Cordova                  66.9%
> > >> >> > > > Salesforce               65.4%
> > >> >> > > > Other                       61.5%
> > >> >> > > > Perl                         61.3%
> > >> >> > > > SQL Server & SQL 60.3%
> > >> >> > > > Objective-C             60.2%
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > >
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> > >> >> > >
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