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From julio cesar sanchez <jcesarmob...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
Date Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:37:54 GMT
I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the
author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet)

So, are we rejecting tools too?

The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages were
about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a tool"
and "add a plugin"

"YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
apps."





2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <dblotsky@microsoft.com>:

> Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to
> putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern is
> that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect us
> to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps to
> suggest, then we should be good.
>
> To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to:
> - curate the existing list
> - have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open
>
> Any takers for those two tasks?
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <stevengill97@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
> > Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
> > apps.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> nikhilkh@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
> >> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will
> not
> >> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has
> been
> >> quite significant in this area.
> >>
> >> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
> >>
> >> -Nikhil
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
> >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >>
> >> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app
> >> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a
> good
> >> example of a great Cordova App.
> >> - remove the "add your app"
> >> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
> >> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if
> someone
> >> opposed with a -1
> >> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy
> the
> >> goal
> >> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> >>> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> >>> - curate based on detailed criteria
> >>> - curate based on loose criteria
> >>> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> >>> - just accept all requests
> >>>
> >>> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
> >>> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that
> >>> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
> >>> easiest way to achieve this.
> >>>
> >>> Kindly,
> >>> Dmitry
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <holz@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
> >>>> build a
> >>> better app“.
> >>>>
> >>>> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
> >>>> don’t
> >>> need that.
> >>>>
> >>>> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
> >>>> mostly
> >>> clean from any Framework.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Joerg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> >>> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree
> >>> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we
> >>> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng
> >>> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
> >>>>> committers
> >>> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I
> >>> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
> >>> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but
> >>> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a
> better
> >> app.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Must appear in a public store
> >>>>> Must use Cordova
> >>>>> Minimum 4 start rating
> >>>>> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> >>>>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
> >>>>> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> >>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
> >>>>> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>> rjs
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
> >>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> >>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and
not
> >>>>> from
> >>> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has
> >>> not to say why an app is good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
> >>>>> helping
> >>> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
> >>>>> Cordova
> >>> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason
> >>> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jörg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com
> >>> :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on
the
> >>>>>> page
> >>> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> >>> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> >>> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs
like
> >> one.
> >>>>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> >>>>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
> >>>>>> across,
> >>> or would like to try.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built,
I
> >>>>>> fear
> >>> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
> >>> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from
> >>> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova
> apps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <holz@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads
for
> >>> developers, nothing more.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems
in the
> >>> public:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on
the site
> >>>>>>> has
> >>> to tell details about the app.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That means:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting
about
> >>>>>>> their
> >>> solutions, for example:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Which plugins are used?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Something about problems
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Developing enviroment
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> >>> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with
> >>> all apps on a second page.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Joerg
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> >>>>>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> >>>>>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> >>>>>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20
submissions
> >>>>>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> >>> them,
> >>>>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the
android
> >>>>>>>> apps,
> >>> and there
> >>>>>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app,
is it adult?
> >>> mature?
> >>>>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> >>>>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't
want to
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>> to do
> >>>>>>>> this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> >>>>>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> >>>>>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> >>>>>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
> >>>>>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> >>>>>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> >>>>>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> >>>>>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> >>>>>>>>> - display policy
> >>>>>>>>> - content policy
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> >>>>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show
on our page
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> >>>>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> >>>>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their
respective
> >>>>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> >>>>>>>>>    - use them to sort instead of picking randomly
OR
> >>>>>>>>>    - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez
<
> >>> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted
and displayed,
> >>>>>>>>>> but we
> >>> should
> >>>>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> >>> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> >>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> >>> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> >>> ,
> >>>>>>>>> where we show "the best
> >>>>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <tommy@devgeeks.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the
best of the best,
> >> yeah?
> >>> Apps
> >>>>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t
true, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
> >>>>>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating
the apps to
> >>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>> sure
> >>>>>>>>> they're
> >>>>>>>>>>> legit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry
Blotsky <
> >>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating
the apps in the
> >>> showcase to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify
that they’re on an app
> >>>>>>>>>>>> store,
> >>> but the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>>>>>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>>>>>
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