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From: Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 15:00:48 +0000
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org>
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The email thread has the details but in summary:
It doesn't handle npm and git as source
It doesn't copy everything
By adding npm and git having the flag copy-from it's confusing.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblotsky@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Hey folks. Sorry I'm late to the party, but why is `--copy-from` not
> sufficient?
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:09 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>
> Michael we will love to hear your feedback, and we can improve on top of
> what's initially there.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Michael
> >  Links to PRs where available for a while on the proposal.
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/339
> > https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/226
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM Michael Brooks
> > <michael@michaelbrooks.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'd love to see a pull request rather than a straight up merge, since
> >> the template discussion was more involved. Also, I'm really looking
> >> forward to seeing your work on this!
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I will be working later today with James from my team on merging
> >> > initial implementation of --template. it will update a few repos
> >> > (cli, lib, doc)
> >> >
> >> > Anyone oppose?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM Carlos Santana
> >> > <csantana23@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > alias, deprecate and later remove
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:49 PM Carlos Santana
> >> > > <csantana23@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I agree, --template is the new --copy-from :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Well, we could deprecate --copy-from, and alias --template to it.
> >> But
> >> > >>> we shouldn't have both, it should just be one implementation.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >> csantana23@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>> > In some way we we are enhancing --copy-from
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > I'm OK to the copy blindly even plugins and platforms, I was
> >> trying
> >> > to
> >> > >>> > avoid people creating templates when is not need it if they
> >> already
> >> > >>> have
> >> > >>> > platforms and plugins
> >> > >>> > But I'm OK if we want to allow it, but I would not documented
> >> > >>> > :-)
> >> it
> >> > >>> just
> >> > >>> > happens to work
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> >  but I don't like the "--copy-from" name, I want to use
> >> "--template"
> >> > >>> that
> >> > >>> > takes path, giturl, and npm name
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Carlos Santana <
> >> csantana23@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> >> What dynamic nature you want ?
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> I think using yeoman is bad idea, we tried at work at is a
> >> > >>> >> huge
> >> > >>> dependency
> >> > >>> >> in terms of foot print and number of dependencies.
> >> > >>> >> We then learned that just using the inquirer npm package
> >> > >>> >> gave us
> >> > what
> >> > >>> we
> >> > >>> >> wanted to create an interactive experience in the CLI
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> At least the first implementation I want to keep it simple,
> >> > >>> >> but
> >> you
> >> > >>> >> brought a good point about dynamic.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> I will update proposal, add that if user passed any of the
> >> optional
> >> > >>> >> arguments for create like app-id, app-name, or app-version
> >> > >>> >> they
> >> > >>> replace the
> >> > >>> >> ones in the template.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> I will double check with James to see if already implemented
> >> this in
> >> > >>> his
> >> > >>> >> current PR, if not then will added.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> It terms of dynamic I think after we get the first
> >> > >>> >> implementation
> >> > >>> out, I
> >> > >>> >> would like to enhance on top of it with allowing the
> >> > >>> >> template to
> >> > have
> >> > >>> >> scripts that can run
> >> > >>> >> like before_create and after_create, then the template can
> >> specify
> >> > >>> this in
> >> > >>> >> the scripts object of the package.json and cordova cli just
> runs.
> >> > >>> This way
> >> > >>> >> template owner can run what ever they want even inquirer to
> >> > >>> >> ask
> >> > >>> questions
> >> > >>> >> to user for additional things to setup with the template.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> [1]:
> >> > >>> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%
> >> > >>> >> 2f%2fwww.npmjs.com%2fpackage%2finquirer&data=01%7c01%7cdblot
> >> > >>> >> sky%40microsoft.com%7c9fb3634d35ba45cd7a7508d2fcd60177%7c72f
> >> > >>> >> 988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=cGhgCrxXQToX3DsPn2Om
> >> > >>> >> UCsTQtcWl11IjuPpgRdFlco%3d
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM Parashuram N <
> >> > panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >> > >>> >> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>> ReactNative init does use yeoman - that is a good idea !!
> >> However,
> >> > >>> does
> >> > >>> >>> that mean that we need to depend on Yeoman also ? Does it
> >> > >>> >>> make
> >> > sense
> >> > >>> to
> >> > >>> >>> simply have a separate yeoman generator ?
> >> > >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>> On 11/12/15, 10:10 AM, "Gorkem Ercan"
> >> > >>> >>> <gorkem.ercan@gmail.com>
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>> >
> >> > >>> >>> >How about adding support for some more dynamic generation.
> >> > >>> >>> >Can we add yeoman as an option something like $cordova
> >> > >>> >>> >create
> >> > myApp
> >> > >>> >>> >--template=yo:m
> >> > >>> >>> >to invoke the generator m ?
> >> > >>> >>> >--
> >> > >>> >>> >Gorkem
> >> > >>> >>> >
> >> > >>> >>> >On 10 Nov 2015, at 19:52, Carlos Santana wrote:
> >> > >>> >>> >
> >> > >>> >>> >> Parashuram
> >> > >>> >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>> >> I would say that if they have "platforms" and "plugins"
> >> > >>> >>> >> it's
> >> not
> >> > >>> >>> >> consider a
> >> > >>> >>> >> template, its consider a cordova project ready to be use
> >> > >>> >>> >> no
> >> need
> >> > >>> to
> >> > >>> >>> >> run
> >> > >>> >>> >> create on it.
> >> > >>> >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>> >> As far as cp-from, it's doesn't copy much only www and
> >> > >>> config.xml, I
> >> > >>> >>> >> didn't
> >> > >>> >>> >> want to change it's behavior for backwards
> >> > >>> >>> >> compatibility. I
> >> > think
> >> > >>> it
> >> > >>> >>> >> will
> >> > >>> >>> >> be good to mark it deprecated for a certain period of
> >> > >>> >>> >> time,
> >> > >>> >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>> >
> >> > >>> >>> >+1 for deprecating the copy-from.
> >> > >>> >>> >
> >> > >>> >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM Parashuram N <
> >> > >>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >> > >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>> >>> Yes, they would. However, there could be cases where
> >> > >>> >>> >>> folks
> >> > would
> >> > >>> like
> >> > >>> >>> >>> to
> >> > >>> >>> >>> have templates that have changes stuff in platforms, or
> >> added
> >> > >>> custom
> >> > >>> >>> >>> plugins or hooks. I think that instead of adding extra
> >> > >>> >>> >>> code
> >> to
> >> > >>> >>> >>> prevent all
> >> > >>> >>> >>> these things, we keep things simple, and copy over
> >> everything.
> >> > >>> The
> >> > >>> >>> >>> templates can then decide what they want to do, and
> >> > >>> >>> >>> most of
> >> > them
> >> > >>> will
> >> > >>> >>> >>> not
> >> > >>> >>> >>> bundle plugins or platforms.
> >> > >>> >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >>> >>> >>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
> >> > >>> >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:16 PM
> >> > >>> >>> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> > >>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >> > >>> >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>> If the plugins and platforms are listed in config.xml,
> >> wouldn't
> >> > >>> they
> >> > >>> >>> >>> just
> >> > >>> >>> >>> get fetched on prepare?
> >> > >>> >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Parashuram N
> >> > >>> >>> >>> <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >> > >>> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>> >>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> I think it should copy platform and plugins folders,
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> if
> >> those
> >> > >>> are a
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> part of the template. I think the guidance should be
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> that
> >> most
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> templates should not include a platform or a plugin
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> folder,
> >> > but
> >> > >>> if
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> they do - for reasons like custom plugins, etc, then
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> we
> >> should
> >> > >>> let
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> that happen. The only enhancement from --copy-from
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> would be
> >> > >>> that we
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> also
> >> > >>> >>> >>> support npm and git URLs.
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:26 PM
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> Parashuram
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> The template doesn't any special structure, the
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> current
> >> hello
> >> > >>> app in
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> npm is already a template
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> Will add comment in PR about having fixtures in tests
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> for
> >> > >>> different
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> uses cases with different type of templates
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> The code copies everything except plugins and
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> platforms
> >> > >>> directories,
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> maybe it needs some comments to make it more clear
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> It should copy dot files like .gitignore,
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> .editorconfig,
> >> > >>> .bowerrc
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> Very
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> important at least for me .gitignore, it helps when
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> folks
> >> ask
> >> > if
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> they
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> should ignore platforms and plugins from source
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> control and
> >> > the
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> answer
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> is always YES. If they are asking then it means they
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> need
> >> the
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> advise.
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM Parashuram N
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> +1 to the proposal.
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Is there a structure of a sample template ? Also, the
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> code
> >> > >>> seems to
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> copy everything from npm or the gitURL, though in the
> >> > proposal
> >> > >>> you
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> say that dot file and hooks/platforms should not be
> >> copies.
> >> > >>> Should
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> we talk about that in the proposal too ?
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Yeah, nothing to add here but +1.
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish there was a
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> way
> >> to
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> *permanently* set a template. I hate the default
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Cordova
> >> > >>> template
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> (sorry
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> ;) and would love to make the CLI always use my own
> >> > particular
> >> > >>> >>> >>> template.
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J. Salva
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> <rsalva@microsoft.com>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> I love it!
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> rjs
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> Visual
> >> > Studio
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> From the Face2Face meeting updating the cordova cli
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> to
> >> work
> >> > >>> with
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> templates sounded like a good feature to add to the
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> CLI
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> I finally got around to this and created the
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> proposal and
> >> > got
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> James
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Dubee from our team to take a stab at implementation.
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> CLI-Template proposal [1]
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> [1]:
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/proposal
> >> > >>> s/C
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> LI
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> -T
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>
> >> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=emplates.md&
> >> > >>> dat
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> a=
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> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>> --Carlos
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> --
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> ===============================================================
> >> > >>> =====
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> == ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
> >> MobileFirst
> >> > at
> >> > >>> IBM
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
> >> > >>> >>>
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> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>
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