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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
From: julio cesar sanchez <jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org>
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Hurray!

2015-11-18 12:52 GMT+01:00 Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>:

> The board is almost clear -- now to test this for a bit before it's
> ready for primetime.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=3D76
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks guys!
> > I've commented on the PR, there is one more commit to add.
> >
> > Created the board:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=3D96
> > (based off the label you created)
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Vladimir Kotikov (Akvelon)
> > <v-vlkoti@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> Hi, guys.
> >>
> >> We've cherry-picked all the commits related to iOS9 / Xcode 7 issues
> into 3.9.x and send corresponding PR to 3.9.x branch [1]. Shazrov, Steve
> please review when possible.
> >>
> >> Regarding new board for 3.9.2 release - neither Sergey nor me don't
> have a permissions to create a shared queries, so we just tagged issues
> with <cordova-ios-3.9.2> label. You can find all tagged issues using a
> query [2].
> >>
> >> ---
> >> [1] https://github.com/apache/cordova-ios/pull/175
> >> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-9729?jql=3Dlabels%20%3D%20cordov=
a-ios-3.9.2
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Shazron [mailto:shazron@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:29 PM
> >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
> >>
> >> Sorry for the late reply -- took a sick day.
> >>
> >> I'd really like to just get cordova-ios 4.x out without a patch releas=
e
> in between, since there are just a few more issues left before we can cle=
ar
> the board (I'll triage it again), and a 4.x release would follow closely =
a
> 3.9.2 release.
> >>
> >> After mulling it over -- what I want and what is needed is of course
> two things. I really don't want the headache of third-party plugin breaka=
ge
> issues on the first day of release, which will happen. The API removals
> (although our prerogative) never had a deprecation warning. In a perfect
> world, after blogging about it and communicating it to plugin authors, th=
ey
> would update their plugins in a backwards compatible way immediately (whi=
ch
> I plan to write a howto included in the platform and/or blog post --
> there's a jira issue for it)
> >>
> >> No plugin author updates things without encountering a breakage after
> hearing from their users -- blog posts just don't have the impact that co=
de
> breakage does :) So -- here's a plan:
> >>
> >> A cordova-ios-3.9.2 release, there should be two goals:
> >> 1. iOS 9 / Xcode 7 fixes (scan the 4.x kanban board for all fixed
> issues) 2. Add deprecation/removal warnings through the macro (
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithub=
.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPublic=
%2fCDVAvailabilityDeprecated.h%23L23&data=3D01%7c01%7cv-vlkoti%40064d.mgd.m=
icrosoft.com%7cd6ed60025678403e0fd008d2dba59f1b%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd=
011db47%7c1&sdata=3D7p9BQz45eR6YUHUjiySQolzVCT9bNmqidrTQTVkn8OM%3d
> ).
> >> Not a deprecation, but a removal since that is our prerogative for
> major version bumps.
> >>
> >> For #2, for the API items that have been removed (through the macros)
> >> -- we include strong language and pointers on how to fix it, and/or
> instructions for users to contact the plugin author to fix. Not sure how
> hard -- we could have some introspection in the plugin to actually print
> out the plugin id responsible.
> >>
> >> For cordova-ios-3.9.2 I would create a kanban board "cordova-ios-3.9.2=
"
> (linked to label 'cordova-ios-3.9.2'), then go through the cordova-ios-4.=
x
> board, see what issues apply, then add the label "cordova-ios-3.9.2" whic=
h
> would automatically appear on the new board. Go through the items in the
> new board, and cherry-pick the patches into the 3.9.x branch.
> >>
> >> Can Microsoft take on this 3.9.2 release while I continue to get the
> 4.x release out?
> >>
> >> FYI -- ATS is handled by the CLI (should be in the next cli release)
> and is not dependent on the cordova-ios platform.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> nikhilkh@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>> Sent the message before completing it.
> >>>
> >>> What are good tasks to be poached on cordova-ios-4.x? In particular,
> my team can help out with cordova-lib related ios tasks. Also, fixing
> plugins or filing issues for upcoming breakages are great areas we can he=
lp
> out. ios 4.x has critical fixes for XCode 7 usage which people need soone=
r
> rather than later [1]. Could you mark them with a tag 'poachable'? We can
> follow up on slack as well if this requires back and forth. I'll ping you
> later today.
> >>>
> >>> As for breaking change below, I've not been keeping up ios-4.x as
> closely - I must've missed the communication on it. I understand there is=
 a
> possibility of breaking because of how "categories" work in Objective-C (=
I
> just read up on it - it's a nifty feature). I also understand that they
> were not *intended* to be used. AFAIK we do not document our platform API=
s
> and even our core plugins (camera) was using this particular API. As we
> discussed in cordova F2F, developers do not have high confidence with the
> version of plugins (particularly third party) to pick and choose and
> anything we could do in how we version our API/manage breaking changes -
> will make Cordova a smoother experience. The impact of this breaking chan=
ge
> is HIGH from the small sample set of plugins we tested.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I understand, Cordova-ios 3.9.x is not usable with XCODE 7 =
-
> ATS, ENABLE_BITCODE being two issues[2]. Cordova-ios 4.x is not ready and
> will likely break the third-party plugins they use when it releases. Shou=
ld
> we really push for a patch release for cordova-ios 3.9.x to fix XCODE 7
> issues? @Shaz: How feasible would this be? I know some of us at Microsoft
> can help do this with guidance.
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fsta=
cko
> >>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3dENABLE_BITCODE%2b%255Bcordova%255D&data=3D=
01%
> >>> 7c01%7cv-vlkoti%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7cd6ed60025678403e0fd008d2db=
a
> >>> 59f1b%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3D6TZPBz5vNlDgL1A9=
c7%
> >>> 2fsUoknh553FwrIqL7pjbsqcFE%3d [2]
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fsta=
cko
> >>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3d%2522XCODE%2b7%2522%2b%255Bcordova%255D&da=
t
> >>> a=3D01%7c01%7cv-vlkoti%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7cd6ed60025678403e0fd=
008
> >>> d2dba59f1b%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DLKaFhkW05D%=
2fG
> >>> ZcInG4LUTRm9Am2QMyMMxhrwcFtCIK0%3d
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:09 AM
> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
> >>>
> >>> What are good tasks to be poached on cordova-ios-4.x? In particular,
> my team can help out with cordova-lib related ios tasks. Also, fixing
> plugins or filing issues for upcoming breakages are great areas we can he=
lp
> out. ios 4.x has critical fixes for XCode 7 usage which people need soone=
r
> rather than later [1]. Could you mark them with a tag 'poachable'? We can
> follow up on slack as well if this requires back and forth. I'll ping you
> later today.
> >>>
> >>> As for breaking change below, I've not been keeping up ios-4.x as
> >>> closely - I must've missed the communication on it. I understand ther=
e
> >>> is a possibility of breaking because of how "categories" work in
> >>> Objective-C (I just read up on it - it's a nifty feature). I also
> >>> understand that they were not *intended* to be used. AFAIK we do not
> >>> document our platform APIs and even our core plugins (camera) was
> >>> using this particular API. As we discussed in cordova F2F
> >>>
> >>> As far as I understand, Cordova-ios 3.9.x is not usable with XCODE 7 =
-
> ATS, ENABLE_BITCODE being two issues[2]. Cordova-ios 4.x is not ready and
> will likely break the third-party plugins they use when it releases. Shou=
ld
> we really push for a patch release for cordova-ios 3.9.x to fix XCODE 7
> issues? @Shaz: How feasible would this be?
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fsta=
cko
> >>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3dENABLE_BITCODE%2b%255Bcordova%255D&data=3D=
01%
> >>> 7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cea1259c06ea744fff37e08d2da213c72%7c=
7
> >>> 2f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DEssE%2b0BTiymN1aS7HtBoOVM=
%2b
> >>> usvcGAKZHanRs9QZXYw%3d [2]
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fsta=
cko
> >>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3d%2522XCODE%2b7%2522%2b%255Bcordova%255D&da=
t
> >>> a=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cea1259c06ea744fff37e08d2da21=
3c7
> >>> 2%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DPBGhQ3sro1fE6Ft3ZOHB=
v3R
> >>> kLdNMOg%2fp4gFgSq2Eets%3d
> >>>
> >>> -Nikhil
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Shazron [mailto:shazron@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:34 PM
> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
> >>>
> >>> This release will not be complete as long as the cordova-ios-4.x boar=
d
> has issues. The only major issue is the plugin building stuff plus docs.
> >>>
> >>> The removal was projected for some time - you might not have
> remembered the discussions in JIRA. NSData+Base64 are "Categories" in
> Objective-C parlance. These were *never* documented to be used outside of
> Cordova and are fair game for removal, particularly a major version
> release. The problem with Categories are, other non-Cordova code can
> implement these Categories with the same names as well -- and during
> runtime the implementation that is "chosen" is indeterminate. We can't ha=
ve
> that with Cordova since JSON serialization and deserialization are
> important for the bridge.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, a blog post and "migration guide" is coming, among other things
> >>> on my plate -- see
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fis=
sue
> >>> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB-9785&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40mi=
cro
> >>> soft.com%7c65695fee7d4149d0fd4108d2d9d9507f%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7=
c
> >>> d011db47%7c1&sdata=3DsGf5ya8dvvT2BxunFhyA0X7IzCXRdEG4bxmbZT0rgu0%3d
> >>> My plan is to send pull requests to some plugins with the common
> issues, so people can see how to update.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> nikhilkh@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>> Where are we with this release?
> >>>>
> >>>> Alexander Sorokin did some analysis on plugin build failures because
> of this ios-4.0-dev and there are quite a few.
> >>>>
> >>>> This spreadsheet summarizes the build failures with the build log in
> a comment:
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fd=
ocs
> .
> >>>> google.com%2fspreadsheets%2fd%2f1sm8ioXY21z3RdyqT7J9n1Q_hmm9zgod5awT=
o
> >>>> F
> >>>> F_X66U%2fedit%3fusp%3dsharing&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.=
com
> >>>> %
> >>>> 7c65695fee7d4149d0fd4108d2d9d9507f%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4=
7
> >>>> % 7c1&sdata=3DPTiv%2bPvncuJ4g0b%2bj8GTO1ovdCKL8Y%2fHFW4QEQt%2b6i8%3d
> >>>>
> >>>> Quite a few of the failures are because of the removal of
> NsData+Base64.h
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithub=
.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fguides%2fAPI%2520changes%2520=
in%25204.0.md%23nsdatabase64h.&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c=
65695fee7d4149d0fd4108d2d9d9507f%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sda=
ta=3DGS43mbEp5TKlUWs4A2mRMZ36sMaBxniFC%2fQbRkzzg24%3d
> What's the rationale behind removing this? Did we deprecate these methods
> before we removed them?
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand the changes for plugin developers are simple - but it
> does seem to require a number of plugins to be updated to ensure apps are
> not broken.
> >>>>
> >>>> It will be great to publish a blog post on cordova blog about these
> breaking changes.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Nikhil
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 10:22 PM
> >>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 Choo Choo ...
> >>>>
> >>>> I reviewed all links in your proposal and they look and don't have
> >>>> concerns
> >>>>
> >>>> IBM MobileFirst was affected only by the API change of using
> >>>> webviewengine now but that's so far the only major change
> >>>>
> >>>> In the kaban board for 4.0 there are some issues I consider nice to
> >>>> have that are not blockers to get a 4.0 out for iOS if we get closed
> >>>> to the ios9 launched date they can be deferred to a 4.0.1
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:38 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Gotta get the train going again, it's been too long.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The kanban board for this is at:
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2f=
iss
> >>>>> u
> >>>>> e
> >>>>> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fsecure%2fRapidBoard.jspa%3frapidView%3d76&dat=
a
> >>>>> =3D
> >>>>> 0
> >>>>> 1%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb28=
6
> >>>>> %
> >>>>> 7
> >>>>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3Db11%2bCUSw4d5Q9SN%2b8=
roA
> >>>>> W
> >>>>> o
> >>>>> Ra2plB0lJXeCJb9RC2Sqw%3d
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please help if you can by assigning an issue to yourself, and
> >>>>> selecting the "Start Progress" button. This will show who is workin=
g
> >>>>> on what in the middle "In Progress" column.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've trimmed this and it includes cordova-ios platform issues, and
> >>>>> some plugin issues. Priority given to platform issues of course, an=
d
> >>>>> issues with iOS 9. If there is a pressing issue that needs to go in=
,
> >>>>> assign it the label "cordova-ios-4.0.x" but propose it to this
> >>>>> thread first so we don't get de-railed, there's only so much room o=
n
> >>>>> the train. Similarly if you think an issue can get thrown off the
> >>>>> train to cordova-ios-5.0.x, post on this thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Focus is on core plugin stability with the new platform, since it
> >>>>> does have API changes. If downstream distribution people are on thi=
s
> >>>>> list, this concerns your third-party plugins too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The easiest way to test if it affects your plugin building:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ```
> >>>>> cordova platform add
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2f=
git
> >>>>> h
> >>>>> u
> >>>>> b.com
> %2fapache%2fcordova-ios.git&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.
> >>>>> c
> >>>>> om%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd01=
1
> >>>>> d b 47%7c1&sdata=3D%2fyEILBHFok2F6BK9aeOOd3ibr3V4GNFhvhWWek%2fRqjs%=
3d
> >>>>> cordova plugin add your-plugin-id
> >>>>> cordova build
> >>>>> ```
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Plugin updates and highlights:
> >>>>>     - API changes doc:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithub=
.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fguides%2fAPI%2520changes%2520=
in%25204.0.md&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461be=
ede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3Doc6rb7Mbb2%2=
bDmKRPwtRBd3jyl0gh74mA5I%2fwiHLpqhM%3d
> >>>>>     - 3 new private core plugins to the platform:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithub=
.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2ftree%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPrivat=
e%2fPlugins&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461beed=
e08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DxoM2X4%2bcjp9o=
qKHhtviNfEdimxiIR%2bTJrg80tI1Fbek%3d
> >>>>>     - Plugin localized strings and resource loading:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithub=
.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPublic=
%2fCDVPlugin%252BResources.h&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c45=
7cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=
=3Dm2xhhALHTJ8rb2aPg68hMWVcU9ebo51zGXwihQEr1LY%3d
> >>>>>    - Preferences helper:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithub=
.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPublic=
%2fNSDictionary%252BCordovaPreferences.h&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40micros=
oft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db=
47%7c1&sdata=3DjUUM60Yks2vRWVPJdeUc8Hhek3CuH6bYKwQlbXDZSxM%3d
> >>>>>    - WebViews as plugins. UIWebView is a private core plugin (see
> above).
> >>>>> WKWebView as a plugin installable
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2f=
git
> >>>>> h
> >>>>> u
> >>>>> b.com%2fapache%2fcordova-plugins%2ftree%2fmaster%2fwkwebview-engine=
&
> >>>>> d
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> ta=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b=
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> >>>>> b
> >>>>> 2
> >>>>> 86%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DoxWiqvoBbVXRKZVL6=
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> >>>>> W
> >>>>> O
> >>>>> XjbBJ%2fdvVu2cBVnV4hf9Y%3d
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also want to highlight this scenario which a lot of people will
> >>>>> encounter:
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2f=
iss
> >>>>> u
> >>>>> e
> >>>>> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB-9592&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40=
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> >>>>> r
> >>>>> o
> >>>>> soft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2=
d
> >>>>> 7 c
> >>>>> d011db47%7c1&sdata=3DoMjN7hq1FiR8YIr7tk6t4L8cG6FwAlCHVCiV7MYZdQs%3d
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had to trim features and push it off to cordova-ios-5.0.x:
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2f=
iss
> >>>>> u
> >>>>> e
> >>>>> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fsecure%2fRapidBoard.jspa%3frapidView%3d86&dat=
a
> >>>>> =3D
> >>>>> 0
> >>>>> 1%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb28=
6
> >>>>> %
> >>>>> 7
> >>>>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3D4N1dxtFBRjM%2fgJULVWB=
YLc
> >>>>> 0
> >>>>> Z
> >>>>> NH7rJArJX5KlvDBqC68%3d
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Planned ship/vote date is around iOS 9 release time, which I believ=
e
> >>>>> is in
> >>>>> 2 weeks or so (mid Sept 2015).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Choo choo....
> >>>>>
> >>>
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