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From: Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:21:39 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
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Thanks guys!
I've commented on the PR, there is one more commit to add.

Created the board:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=3D96
(based off the label you created)

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Vladimir Kotikov (Akvelon)
<v-vlkoti@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hi, guys.
>
> We've cherry-picked all the commits related to iOS9 / Xcode 7 issues into=
 3.9.x and send corresponding PR to 3.9.x branch [1]. Shazrov, Steve please=
 review when possible.
>
> Regarding new board for 3.9.2 release - neither Sergey nor me don't have =
a permissions to create a shared queries, so we just tagged issues with <co=
rdova-ios-3.9.2> label. You can find all tagged issues using a query [2].
>
> ---
> [1] https://github.com/apache/cordova-ios/pull/175
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-9729?jql=3Dlabels%20%3D%20co=
rdova-ios-3.9.2
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shazron [mailto:shazron@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:29 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
>
> Sorry for the late reply -- took a sick day.
>
> I'd really like to just get cordova-ios 4.x out without a patch release i=
n between, since there are just a few more issues left before we can clear =
the board (I'll triage it again), and a 4.x release would follow closely a =
3.9.2 release.
>
> After mulling it over -- what I want and what is needed is of course two =
things. I really don't want the headache of third-party plugin breakage iss=
ues on the first day of release, which will happen. The API removals (altho=
ugh our prerogative) never had a deprecation warning. In a perfect world, a=
fter blogging about it and communicating it to plugin authors, they would u=
pdate their plugins in a backwards compatible way immediately (which I plan=
 to write a howto included in the platform and/or blog post -- there's a ji=
ra issue for it)
>
> No plugin author updates things without encountering a breakage after hea=
ring from their users -- blog posts just don't have the impact that code br=
eakage does :) So -- here's a plan:
>
> A cordova-ios-3.9.2 release, there should be two goals:
> 1. iOS 9 / Xcode 7 fixes (scan the 4.x kanban board for all fixed issues)=
 2. Add deprecation/removal warnings through the macro (https://na01.safeli=
nks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fapache%2fcordo=
va-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPublic%2fCDVAvailabilityDep=
recated.h%23L23&data=3D01%7c01%7cv-vlkoti%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7cd6ed60=
025678403e0fd008d2dba59f1b%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3D7=
p9BQz45eR6YUHUjiySQolzVCT9bNmqidrTQTVkn8OM%3d).
> Not a deprecation, but a removal since that is our prerogative for major =
version bumps.
>
> For #2, for the API items that have been removed (through the macros)
> -- we include strong language and pointers on how to fix it, and/or instr=
uctions for users to contact the plugin author to fix. Not sure how hard --=
 we could have some introspection in the plugin to actually print out the p=
lugin id responsible.
>
> For cordova-ios-3.9.2 I would create a kanban board "cordova-ios-3.9.2" (=
linked to label 'cordova-ios-3.9.2'), then go through the cordova-ios-4.x b=
oard, see what issues apply, then add the label "cordova-ios-3.9.2" which w=
ould automatically appear on the new board. Go through the items in the new=
 board, and cherry-pick the patches into the 3.9.x branch.
>
> Can Microsoft take on this 3.9.2 release while I continue to get the 4.x =
release out?
>
> FYI -- ATS is handled by the CLI (should be in the next cli release) and =
is not dependent on the cordova-ios platform.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhilkh@microsoft.c=
om> wrote:
>> Sent the message before completing it.
>>
>> What are good tasks to be poached on cordova-ios-4.x? In particular, my =
team can help out with cordova-lib related ios tasks. Also, fixing plugins =
or filing issues for upcoming breakages are great areas we can help out. io=
s 4.x has critical fixes for XCode 7 usage which people need sooner rather =
than later [1]. Could you mark them with a tag 'poachable'? We can follow u=
p on slack as well if this requires back and forth. I'll ping you later tod=
ay.
>>
>> As for breaking change below, I've not been keeping up ios-4.x as closel=
y - I must've missed the communication on it. I understand there is a possi=
bility of breaking because of how "categories" work in Objective-C (I just =
read up on it - it's a nifty feature). I also understand that they were not=
 *intended* to be used. AFAIK we do not document our platform APIs and even=
 our core plugins (camera) was using this particular API. As we discussed i=
n cordova F2F, developers do not have high confidence with the version of p=
lugins (particularly third party) to pick and choose and anything we could =
do in how we version our API/manage breaking changes - will make Cordova a =
smoother experience. The impact of this breaking change is HIGH from the sm=
all sample set of plugins we tested.
>>
>> As far as I understand, Cordova-ios 3.9.x is not usable with XCODE 7 - A=
TS, ENABLE_BITCODE being two issues[2]. Cordova-ios 4.x is not ready and wi=
ll likely break the third-party plugins they use when it releases. Should w=
e really push for a patch release for cordova-ios 3.9.x to fix XCODE 7 issu=
es? @Shaz: How feasible would this be? I know some of us at Microsoft can h=
elp do this with guidance.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fstacko
>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3dENABLE_BITCODE%2b%255Bcordova%255D&data=3D01%
>> 7c01%7cv-vlkoti%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7cd6ed60025678403e0fd008d2dba
>> 59f1b%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3D6TZPBz5vNlDgL1A9c7%
>> 2fsUoknh553FwrIqL7pjbsqcFE%3d [2]
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fstacko
>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3d%2522XCODE%2b7%2522%2b%255Bcordova%255D&dat
>> a=3D01%7c01%7cv-vlkoti%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7cd6ed60025678403e0fd008
>> d2dba59f1b%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DLKaFhkW05D%2fG
>> ZcInG4LUTRm9Am2QMyMMxhrwcFtCIK0%3d
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:09 AM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
>>
>> What are good tasks to be poached on cordova-ios-4.x? In particular, my =
team can help out with cordova-lib related ios tasks. Also, fixing plugins =
or filing issues for upcoming breakages are great areas we can help out. io=
s 4.x has critical fixes for XCode 7 usage which people need sooner rather =
than later [1]. Could you mark them with a tag 'poachable'? We can follow u=
p on slack as well if this requires back and forth. I'll ping you later tod=
ay.
>>
>> As for breaking change below, I've not been keeping up ios-4.x as
>> closely - I must've missed the communication on it. I understand there
>> is a possibility of breaking because of how "categories" work in
>> Objective-C (I just read up on it - it's a nifty feature). I also
>> understand that they were not *intended* to be used. AFAIK we do not
>> document our platform APIs and even our core plugins (camera) was
>> using this particular API. As we discussed in cordova F2F
>>
>> As far as I understand, Cordova-ios 3.9.x is not usable with XCODE 7 - A=
TS, ENABLE_BITCODE being two issues[2]. Cordova-ios 4.x is not ready and wi=
ll likely break the third-party plugins they use when it releases. Should w=
e really push for a patch release for cordova-ios 3.9.x to fix XCODE 7 issu=
es? @Shaz: How feasible would this be?
>>
>> [1]
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fstacko
>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3dENABLE_BITCODE%2b%255Bcordova%255D&data=3D01%
>> 7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cea1259c06ea744fff37e08d2da213c72%7c7
>> 2f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DEssE%2b0BTiymN1aS7HtBoOVM%2b
>> usvcGAKZHanRs9QZXYw%3d [2]
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fstacko
>> verflow.com%2fsearch%3fq%3d%2522XCODE%2b7%2522%2b%255Bcordova%255D&dat
>> a=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cea1259c06ea744fff37e08d2da213c7
>> 2%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DPBGhQ3sro1fE6Ft3ZOHBv3R
>> kLdNMOg%2fp4gFgSq2Eets%3d
>>
>> -Nikhil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shazron [mailto:shazron@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:34 PM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
>>
>> This release will not be complete as long as the cordova-ios-4.x board h=
as issues. The only major issue is the plugin building stuff plus docs.
>>
>> The removal was projected for some time - you might not have remembered =
the discussions in JIRA. NSData+Base64 are "Categories" in Objective-C parl=
ance. These were *never* documented to be used outside of Cordova and are f=
air game for removal, particularly a major version release. The problem wit=
h Categories are, other non-Cordova code can implement these Categories wit=
h the same names as well -- and during runtime the implementation that is "=
chosen" is indeterminate. We can't have that with Cordova since JSON serial=
ization and deserialization are important for the bridge.
>>
>> Yes, a blog post and "migration guide" is coming, among other things
>> on my plate -- see
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fissue
>> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB-9785&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40micro
>> soft.com%7c65695fee7d4149d0fd4108d2d9d9507f%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7c
>> d011db47%7c1&sdata=3DsGf5ya8dvvT2BxunFhyA0X7IzCXRdEG4bxmbZT0rgu0%3d
>> My plan is to send pull requests to some plugins with the common issues,=
 so people can see how to update.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhilkh@microsoft.c=
om> wrote:
>>> Where are we with this release?
>>>
>>> Alexander Sorokin did some analysis on plugin build failures because of=
 this ios-4.0-dev and there are quite a few.
>>>
>>> This spreadsheet summarizes the build failures with the build log in a =
comment:
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fdocs=
.
>>> google.com%2fspreadsheets%2fd%2f1sm8ioXY21z3RdyqT7J9n1Q_hmm9zgod5awTo
>>> F
>>> F_X66U%2fedit%3fusp%3dsharing&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
>>> %
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>>> % 7c1&sdata=3DPTiv%2bPvncuJ4g0b%2bj8GTO1ovdCKL8Y%2fHFW4QEQt%2b6i8%3d
>>>
>>> Quite a few of the failures are because of the removal of NsData+Base64=
.h https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgithu=
b.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fguides%2fAPI%2520changes%252=
0in%25204.0.md%23nsdatabase64h.&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7=
c65695fee7d4149d0fd4108d2d9d9507f%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sd=
ata=3DGS43mbEp5TKlUWs4A2mRMZ36sMaBxniFC%2fQbRkzzg24%3d What's the rationale=
 behind removing this? Did we deprecate these methods before we removed the=
m?
>>>
>>> I understand the changes for plugin developers are simple - but it does=
 seem to require a number of plugins to be updated to ensure apps are not b=
roken.
>>>
>>> It will be great to publish a blog post on cordova blog about these bre=
aking changes.
>>>
>>> -Nikhil
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 10:22 PM
>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-ios 4.0.0 release
>>>
>>> +1 Choo Choo ...
>>>
>>> I reviewed all links in your proposal and they look and don't have
>>> concerns
>>>
>>> IBM MobileFirst was affected only by the API change of using
>>> webviewengine now but that's so far the only major change
>>>
>>> In the kaban board for 4.0 there are some issues I consider nice to
>>> have that are not blockers to get a 4.0 out for iOS if we get closed
>>> to the ios9 launched date they can be deferred to a 4.0.1
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:38 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gotta get the train going again, it's been too long.
>>>>
>>>> The kanban board for this is at:
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fiss
>>>> u
>>>> e
>>>> s.apache.org%2fjira%2fsecure%2fRapidBoard.jspa%3frapidView%3d76&data
>>>> =3D
>>>> 0
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>>>>
>>>> Please help if you can by assigning an issue to yourself, and
>>>> selecting the "Start Progress" button. This will show who is working
>>>> on what in the middle "In Progress" column.
>>>>
>>>> I've trimmed this and it includes cordova-ios platform issues, and
>>>> some plugin issues. Priority given to platform issues of course, and
>>>> issues with iOS 9. If there is a pressing issue that needs to go in,
>>>> assign it the label "cordova-ios-4.0.x" but propose it to this
>>>> thread first so we don't get de-railed, there's only so much room on
>>>> the train. Similarly if you think an issue can get thrown off the
>>>> train to cordova-ios-5.0.x, post on this thread.
>>>>
>>>> Focus is on core plugin stability with the new platform, since it
>>>> does have API changes. If downstream distribution people are on this
>>>> list, this concerns your third-party plugins too.
>>>>
>>>> The easiest way to test if it affects your plugin building:
>>>>
>>>> ```
>>>> cordova platform add
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgit
>>>> h
>>>> u
>>>> b.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios.git&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft=
.
>>>> c
>>>> om%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011
>>>> d b 47%7c1&sdata=3D%2fyEILBHFok2F6BK9aeOOd3ibr3V4GNFhvhWWek%2fRqjs%3d
>>>> cordova plugin add your-plugin-id
>>>> cordova build
>>>> ```
>>>>
>>>> Plugin updates and highlights:
>>>>     - API changes doc:
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgit=
hub.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fguides%2fAPI%2520changes%2=
520in%25204.0.md&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c46=
1beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3Doc6rb7Mbb=
2%2bDmKRPwtRBd3jyl0gh74mA5I%2fwiHLpqhM%3d
>>>>     - 3 new private core plugins to the platform:
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgit=
hub.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2ftree%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPri=
vate%2fPlugins&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461b=
eede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DxoM2X4%2bcj=
p9oqKHhtviNfEdimxiIR%2bTJrg80tI1Fbek%3d
>>>>     - Plugin localized strings and resource loading:
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgit=
hub.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPub=
lic%2fCDVPlugin%252BResources.h&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7=
c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sd=
ata=3Dm2xhhALHTJ8rb2aPg68hMWVcU9ebo51zGXwihQEr1LY%3d
>>>>    - Preferences helper:
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgit=
hub.com%2fapache%2fcordova-ios%2fblob%2fmaster%2fCordovaLib%2fClasses%2fPub=
lic%2fNSDictionary%252BCordovaPreferences.h&data=3D01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40mic=
rosoft.com%7c457cbbc8d60c461beede08d2b41fb286%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd01=
1db47%7c1&sdata=3DjUUM60Yks2vRWVPJdeUc8Hhek3CuH6bYKwQlbXDZSxM%3d
>>>>    - WebViews as plugins. UIWebView is a private core plugin (see abov=
e).
>>>> WKWebView as a plugin installable
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgit
>>>> h
>>>> u
>>>> b.com%2fapache%2fcordova-plugins%2ftree%2fmaster%2fwkwebview-engine&
>>>> d
>>>> a
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>>>>
>>>> I also want to highlight this scenario which a lot of people will
>>>> encounter:
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>>>>
>>>> I had to trim features and push it off to cordova-ios-5.0.x:
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fiss
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>>>>
>>>> Planned ship/vote date is around iOS 9 release time, which I believe
>>>> is in
>>>> 2 weeks or so (mid Sept 2015).
>>>>
>>>> Choo choo....
>>>>
>>
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