Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2AD218B78 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 92465 invoked by uid 500); 7 Oct 2015 19:20:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 92429 invoked by uid 500); 7 Oct 2015 19:20:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cordova.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 92418 invoked by uid 99); 7 Oct 2015 19:20:56 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 19:20:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 00F121A2362 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:20:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.052 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.052 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS=0.8, KAM_LOTSOFHASH=0.25, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-eu-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PLDQp76ix7is for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 00550204D9 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by padhy16 with SMTP id hy16so29541773pad.1 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=I3Hz6qQ03tpzqndXB53CVnSmBohFiYzTrfA9I9AjQg4=; b=PQCTrXXyJ3DU+PAaCNE9PiaVeEPsk8hNAvDX27UhWCGcOKJHEh52LuzMCwrflVuJhW 3HGOE4P9QsTL7TWUch3OVWZNXxzyKEh9zDjrlJh3w/w36yaoogPSSjG01o7slRnGCLjc etpk+YgURDIiVWPCXr5A5gYkSEo+d81H0N+pVkGzFB+Q84pc1htSyHeKEPy7NKRTak/H 850YLewj4gH3gJTb787UxsYGR1VGlo0GnSXp6qqyXc0t3vQkwBRfvoYN7yqNkkh7Uap1 +t+NSZG+jUNP3DuJluPCAtE3VWg5JclHOXE/maX29Ho6LBHGN2mGT91cUDWmlW/oRqNF xIBA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl6Gzr9Vdj15d4d1IKSV+6OPwp8eB7TuCXoYue8LwJJZaXC2eADkxYKJppye7npLluXiLRE X-Received: by 10.66.219.195 with SMTP id pq3mr2891350pac.98.1444245640412; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.192.13.35] ([1.136.95.117]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xm9sm40935241pbc.32.2015.10.07.12.20.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tommy-Carlos Williams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign Message-Id: <075EE131-8C79-4721-9DA8-F2886BADAA06@devgeeks.org> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 06:20:35 +1100 References: <246E61C8-C3BC-43FD-9226-12C81D6E97A4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <246E61C8-C3BC-43FD-9226-12C81D6E97A4@gmail.com> To: dev@cordova.apache.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13A452) Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others thought" c= ategory on this one. =20 I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no opinion. =20= > On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse wrote: >=20 > I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we don'= t need it.=20 > I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it.=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Everyone, >>=20 >> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry (his= email is included below). >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections wer= e raised. This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown in= picture A below. Also, we may replace the background image with the simple= gradient as shown in picture B below. Please let me know if there are any c= oncerns replacing this background image. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Brad Gashler >>=20 >>=20 >> A) New logo only >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> B) New logo and new gradient background >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:ben@ionic.io]=20 >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign >>=20 >> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the >> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still ver= y much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of confidence, lov= e it! >>=20 >> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I put t= ogether a version that I thought might support the evolution of Cordova into= a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this early logo update m= ockup: regular >> / flat >> >>=20 >> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the little r= obot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The existing typ= eface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but can sometimes f= eel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion is simply to updat= e it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this case, Brandon Text ). >>=20 >> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this! >>=20 >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galv=C3=A3o < frederico.galva= o@pontoget.com.br> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Looks great indeed, nice job! >>>=20 >>> One thing I noticed is that >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fproje= >>> cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=3D01%7c01%7cbradga%40micros= >>> oft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd >>> 011db47%7c1&sdata=3DZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d >>> seems very outdated. >>>=20 >>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana : >>>=20 >>>> This looks great. >>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page? >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fcordov= >>> a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2fsp >>> ec.html&data=3D01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408= >>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DNg%2fQbCHankWf= >>> qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI wrot= e: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care >>>>> of >>> this. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great! >>>>>> The community will love this. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva < >>> ryanjsalva@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> TLDR >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f% >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=3D01%7c01%7cbradg >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DWfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile >>>>>>> developers. =46rom these conversations, we identified six top >>>>>>> level >>>>>>> goals: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to >>> developers >>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock >>>>>> star-quality apps >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools >>>>>>> and businesses that have =E2=80=9Cmade a bet=E2=80=9D on Cordova >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 4. Improve developer=E2=80=99s first experience with Cordova by addi= ng >>> quick >>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g. >>>>>>> plugins) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility >>>>>>> of public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e. >>>>>>> branding and content parity) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> ---- The long read ---- >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle >>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed >>>>>>> a long >>>> series >>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three >>>>>>> months, >>> I=E2=80=99ve >>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has >>> collectively >>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share >>>>>>> a summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the >>> meantime, I >>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one interview. >>>> When >>>>>>> asked, =E2=80=9CHow can we make your job easier?=E2=80=9D, one Cordo= va >>>>>>> developer >>>>>>> responded: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =E2=80=9CTake the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove >>>>>>> that >>> it=E2=80=99s >>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it >>>>>>> over-and-over again. I wish that I didn=E2=80=99t have to have the >>>>>>> same conversation >>> every >>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.=E2=80=9D --= >>> Murali, >>>>>>> Cordova Developer >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the >>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova=E2=80=99s front-door= . >>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years, >>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points in t= he community. >>> To >>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few e= xamples of >>>>>>> it being successfully used.=E2=80=9D -- Gary, Ionic Developer >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good >>>> development >>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we >>>>>>> thought >>> it >>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the >>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as >>>>>>> it appears >>>> in >>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too >>>>>>> long (and it will), then we=E2=80=99ll randomize display. The same i= s >>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of Cordova.= >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =E2=80=9CThere are so many layers to cross-platform development, it=E2= =80=99s >>>>>>> hard >>> to >>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It=E2=80=99s even harder to know if >>>>>>> you=E2=80=99re missing a critical piece.=E2=80=9D -- Mike, Cordova D= eveloper >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won=E2=80=99t address this problem. W= e >>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how >>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger ecosystem (= e.g. >>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we=E2=80=99re also hoping that by adding a litt= le >>>>>>> more =E2=80=9Chand-holding=E2=80=9D on the site, we can help develop= ers >>>>>>> achieve success faster. For example, we provide simple >>>>>>> instructions for =E2=80=9CGetting Started=E2=80=9D on the home page.= And, on >>>>>>> the Plugins page, we provide a quick explanation of plugins=E2=80=99= role in Cordova development. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s not clear where I can go for support.=E2=80=9D= -- Geoff, Cordova >>>>> Developer >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Okay=E2=80=A6 none of us want to provide customer support for the >>>>>>> whole community, but I want to make it easy for people to find >>>>>>> the community. To that end, our goal was to integrate >>>>>>> prominent >>> pointers >>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates =E2=80=93 e.g. Slac= k, >>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is=E2=80=A6 well, for people with more= >>>>>>> time >>> on >>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a >>> change >>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There=E2=80=99s a compelling developer need >>>>>>> and >>>> little >>>>>>> risk in making the change. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site >>> launched >>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will >>>>>>> be >>> easy >>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please >>>>>>> file them here: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f >>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205 >>>>>>> 62%2f&data=3D01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d >>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3D >>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f% >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=3D01%7c01%7cbradg >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DWfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> Ryan J. 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