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From Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Cordova website redesign
Date Thu, 08 Oct 2015 04:25:56 GMT
+1
On Oct 7, 2015 9:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b@brian.io> wrote:

> Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 👍
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really stands
> > out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know
> > there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that reason I
> > wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is a
> > different story.
> >
> > Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your
> > perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at
> > conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme
> > that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't
> > change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova
> > isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and
> improving.
> >
> > </mytwocents>
> > rjs
> >
> > Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> > Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
> > rsalva@microsoft.com
> > 206 612 5079 mobile
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:tommy@devgeeks.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
> >
> > Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others
> thought"
> > category on this one.
> >
> > I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no opinion.
> >
> > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we
> > don't need it.
> > > I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it.
> > >
> > >> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bradga@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Everyone,
> > >>
> > >> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry
> > (his email is included below).
> > >>
> > >> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were
> > raised.  This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown
> in
> > picture A below.  Also, we may replace the background image with the
> simple
> > gradient as shown in picture B below.  Please let me know if there are
> any
> > concerns replacing this background image.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Brad Gashler
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> A) New logo only
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> B) New logo and new gradient background
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:ben@ionic.io]
> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM
> > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
> > >>
> > >> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the
> > >> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still
> > very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of
> confidence,
> > love it!
> > >>
> > >> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I
> > >> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of
> > >> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this
> > >> early logo update mockup: regular
> > >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni
> > >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png
> > >> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d
> > >> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA
> > >> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d>
> > >> / flat
> > >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni
> > >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p
> > >> ng&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5
> > >> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y
> > >> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d>
> > >>
> > >> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the
> > little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The
> > existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but
> > can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion
> is
> > simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this
> case,
> > Brandon Text <
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d
> > >).
> > >>
> > >> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this!
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão <
> > frederico.galvao@pontoget.com.br> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks great indeed, nice job!
> > >>>
> > >>> One thing I noticed is that
> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro
> > >>> je
> > >>> cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micr
> > >>> os
> > >>> oft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7
> > >>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d
> > >>> seems very outdated.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> This looks great.
> > >>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page?
> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord
> > >>> ov
> > >>> a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2f
> > >>> sp
> > >>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de064
> > >>> 08
> > >>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHank
> > >>> Wf qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking
care
> > >>>>> of
> > >>> this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great!
> > >>>>>> The community will love this.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva <
> > >>> ryanjsalva@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> TLDR
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website
redesign at
> > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
> > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
> > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
> > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf
> > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+
mobile
> > >>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified
six top
> > >>>>>>> level
> > >>>>>>> goals:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant
to
> > >>> developers
> > >>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting
some rock
> > >>>>>> star-quality apps
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set
of tools
> > >>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova
by adding
> > >>> quick
> > >>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts
(e.g.
> > >>>>>>> plugins)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the
visibility of
> > >>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e.
> > >>>>>>> branding and content parity)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ---- The long read ----
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the
Seattle
> > >>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just
completed a
> > >>>>>>> long
> > >>>> series
> > >>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three
months,
> > >>> I’ve
> > >>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team
has
> > >>> collectively
> > >>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope
to share a
> > >>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon.
In the
> > >>> meantime, I
> > >>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from
one interview.
> > >>>> When
> > >>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one
Cordova developer
> > >>>>>>> responded:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I
can prove that
> > >>> it’s
> > >>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it
over-and-over
> > >>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same
conversation
> > >>> every
> > >>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.”
--
> > >>> Murali,
> > >>>>>>> Cordova Developer
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one
of the
> > >>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s
front-door.
> > >>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last
5+ years,
> > >>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some
pain points
> in
> > the community.
> > >>> To
> > >>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are
few examples of
> > >>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples
of good
> > >>>> development
> > >>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible.
So, we
> > >>>>>>> thought
> > >>> it
> > >>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps
on the
> > >>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app
so long as it
> > >>>>>>> appears
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps
gets too
> > >>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display.
The same is
> > >>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on
top of
> > Cordova.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development,
it’s
> > >>>>>>> hard
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder
to know if
> > >>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova
Developer
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this
problem. We
> > >>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate
how
> > >>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the
larger
> > ecosystem (e.g.
> > >>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding
a little
> > >>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers
achieve
> > >>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple instructions
for
> > >>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And, on the
Plugins page, we
> > >>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova
> > development.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.”
-- Geoff, Cordova
> > >>>>> Developer
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Okay…  none of us want to provide customer support
for the whole
> > >>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for people to
find the
> > >>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent
> > >>> pointers
> > >>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates –
e.g. Slack,
> > >>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people
with more
> > >>>>>>> time
> > >>> on
> > >>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right
time for a
> > >>> change
> > >>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer
need and
> > >>>> little
> > >>>>>>> risk in making the change.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the
new site
> > >>> launched
> > >>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch,
it will be
> > >>> easy
> > >>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed,
please
> > >>>>>>> file them here:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f
> > >>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205
> > >>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d
> > >>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=
> > >>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
> > >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
> > >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
> > >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf
> > >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva
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