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From Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
Date Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:01:11 GMT
YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
apps.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhilkh@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not
> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been
> quite significant in this area.
>
> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
>
> -Nikhil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
>
> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app
> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good
> example of a great Cordova App.
> - remove the "add your app"
> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone
> opposed with a -1
> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the
> goal
> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> > - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> > - curate based on detailed criteria
> > - curate based on loose criteria
> > - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> > - just accept all requests
> >
> > Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
> > like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that
> > displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
> > easiest way to achieve this.
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Dmitry
> >
> > > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <holz@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
> > > build a
> > better app“.
> > >
> > > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
> > > don’t
> > need that.
> > >
> > > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
> > > mostly
> > clean from any Framework.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joerg
> > >
> > >
> > >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com>:
> > >>
> > >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> > that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree
> > that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we
> > fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng
> > of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> > >>
> > >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
> > >> committers
> > to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I
> > like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
> > developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but
> > they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better
> app.
> > >>
> > >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> > >>
> > >> Must appear in a public store
> > >> Must use Cordova
> > >> Minimum 4 start rating
> > >> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> > >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
> > >> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> > >> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
> > >> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >> rjs
> > >>
> > >> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
> > >> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> > >> 206 612 5079 mobile
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> > >>
> > >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> > >>
> > >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> > >>
> > >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> > >>
> > >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not
> > >> from
> > the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has
> > not to say why an app is good.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
> > >> helping
> > people and doing the small, but important, things.
> > >>
> > >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
> > >> Cordova
> > don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason
> > why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jörg
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com
> >:
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
> > >>> page
> > is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> > perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> > enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> > >>>
> > >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like
> one.
> > >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> > >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
> > >>> across,
> > or would like to try.
> > >>>
> > >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
> > >>> fear
> > that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
> > would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from
> > these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <holz@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> > developers, nothing more.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> > public:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
> > >>>> has
> > to tell details about the app.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That means:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
> > >>>> their
> > solutions, for example:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Which plugins are used?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Something about problems
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Developing enviroment
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> > (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with
> > all apps on a second page.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Joerg
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> > >>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> > >>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> > >>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions
> > >>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> > them,
> > >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
> > >>>>> apps,
> > and there
> > >>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it
adult?
> > mature?
> > >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> > >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want
to
> > >>>>> have
> > to do
> > >>>>> this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1]
> > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> > >>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> > >>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> > >>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
> > >>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My team is hiring!
> > >>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> > >>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> > >>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> > >>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> > >>>>>> - display policy
> > >>>>>> - content policy
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> > >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our
page
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> > >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> > >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective
> > >>>>>> lists
> > >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> > >>>>>>     - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> > >>>>>>     - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kindly,
> > >>>>>> Dmitry
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
> > >>>>>>> but we
> > should
> > >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> > >>>>>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> > 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> > c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> > eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> > ,
> > >>>>>> where we show "the best
> > >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <tommy@devgeeks.org>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best
of the best,
> yeah?
> > Apps
> > >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t
true, etc.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
> > >>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the
apps to
> > >>>>>>>> make
> > sure
> > >>>>>> they're
> > >>>>>>>> legit.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky
<
> > >>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating
the apps in the
> > showcase to
> > >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re
on an app
> > >>>>>>>>> store,
> > but the
> > >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > >>>>
> > >>>> RELAUNCHED:
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