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From Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
Date Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:56:02 GMT
- downloads are not verifiable in some markets
- star ratings do not always reflect quality

I would much rather drop the whole showcase concept, and simply allow
guest-blog pull requests.  Guest blogs could be about an app, if that's
what the submitter wanted to do, and could contain as much or as little
info as desired.

Ultimately, I do not think we have an issue with marketing, and as an open
source project, I would much rather see us focus on code quality than
trying to repair a (perceived) damaged public reputation.
I've already spent too much time discussing this, so I will refrain from
further replies and go with whatever is decided.






My team is hiring!
@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of putting the onus on the developer to actually do
> some marketing and selling of their app to us :)
> We should have that minimum bar that they need to pass, I like Ryan's
> listed criteria.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> > The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that
> developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by
> opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short
> of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality
> apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> >
> > At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers
> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like
> Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers
> need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to
> submit something that helps other developers build a better app.
> >
> > Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> >
> > Must appear in a public store
> > Must use Cordova
> > Minimum 4 start rating
> > Minimum 1,000 downloads
> > Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
> > – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> > – Which plugins are used?
> > – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> > – Something about problems
> > – Development environment and tools used
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > rjs
> >
> > Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> > Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
> > rsalva@microsoft.com
> > 206 612 5079 mobile
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >
> > thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> >
> > – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> >
> > – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> >
> > Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from
> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to
> say why an app is good.
> >
> >
> > And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping
> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> >
> > The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova
> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why
> a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> >
> >
> > Jörg
> >
> >
> >> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com>:
> >>
> >> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is
> to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> >>
> >> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> >>
> >> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
> >> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> >> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or
> would like to try.
> >>
> >> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear
> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would
> actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app
> authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <holz@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> developers, nothing more.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> public:
> >>>
> >>> – Are complex apps working well?
> >>>
> >>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to
> tell details about the app.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That means:
> >>>
> >>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their
> solutions, for example:
> >>>
> >>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> >>>
> >>> – Which plugins are used?
> >>>
> >>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>
> >>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> >>>
> >>> – Something about problems
> >>>
> >>> – Developing enviroment
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility,
> production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a
> second page.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Joerg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> >>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look
at
> them,
> >>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and
> there
> >>>> are 24 apps per page.
> >>>>
> >>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
> mature?
> >>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> >>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to
> do
> >>>> this.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>> risingj.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> >>>>> - display policy
> >>>>> - content policy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> >>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> >>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> >>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
> >>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> >>>>>       - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> >>>>>       - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
but we
> should
> >>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> >>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> ,
> >>>>> where we show "the best
> >>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <tommy@devgeeks.org>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
yeah?
> Apps
> >>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
make sure
> >>>>> they're
> >>>>>>> legit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps
in the
> showcase to
> >>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on
an app store,
> but the
> >>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>
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