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From Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Understanding the Cordova developer better - Cordova developer survey
Date Tue, 06 Oct 2015 01:56:49 GMT
survey looks great, yes I agree let's send it now to see how much data we
collect by F2F time frame.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Looks like the URL had a dot at the end. Here is the URL that worked for me
>
> https://apachecordovabot.typeform.com/to/BCc5co
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 3:21 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Understanding the Cordova developer better - Cordova
> developer survey
>
> Thanks for all the input! Here's the final public facing URL:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fapachecordovabot.typeform.com%2fto%2fBCc5co.&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c86396d50c82d42e0359b08d2cdd34a0d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=9k5%2b3HCFfW%2fCVjQMMmPBSy71bM3lWMQJQifwyhF5dTs%3d
>
> It will be great to get some of this data before the F2F meeting. Let's
> all tweet about it, post it on slack etc.
>
> In couple of days we can see if we can want to make more tweaks to this
> and then put out a v2 on the cordova website as a banner.
>
> -Nikhil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrey Kurdumov [mailto:kant2002@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 10:42 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Understanding the Cordova developer better - Cordova
> developer survey
>
> Would be good separate 4.a question "Documentation for the Cordova
> platforms and CLI" on two separate questions.
> Since I have different opinion on both of CLI and platform docs. CLI I
> would range on the 8 or 9 9 (nobody perfect), but platform docs are closer
> to 4 (need significant improvements) for me.
> Both are very strong feeling, and I have to or average results, or select
> which part is more important for me.
>
> 2015-10-04 11:04 GMT+06:00 Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>:
>
> > Yeah I like "released"
> >
> > Yeah no need to get usage info on this survey now.
> >
> > - Carlos
> > Sent from my iPhone 6s
> >
> > > On Oct 4, 2015, at 12:51 AM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Great feedback, you're right, I was thinking totally app-store-centric.
> > > How about 'released' instead of 'published'?
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if usage info is relevant here, it is interesting no
> > > doubt, but I think the goal of this survey was to get info on making
> > > the app developer experience better. There is a multitude of
> > > non-cordova factors that affect usage; (price, design, app type,
> > > market competition, ... ) Personally I think usage stats are
> > > probably more relevant in the app showcase pages, or in another usage
> targeted survey.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My team is hiring!
> > > @purplecabbage
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=
> > > 01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7ca0dc759ec823485986cc08d2cc7e942
> > > 7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ygxQ5M9xh2NY%2fGKr5eM
> > > EdWpaHVPZ5RrMFs6s6F0Yos4%3d
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Carlos Santana
> > >> <csantana23@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> For the question on how many published, don't know if it will be
> > >> good to use a different word than "published". I personally
> > >> associate that with
> > a
> > >> App Store on quick read
> > >>
> > >> Most of our customers don't published their apps to a store, they
> > >> have them in production internally because they are business to
> > >> employee or business to business.
> > >>
> > >> What about using "apps currently in production" or "apps currently
> > >> being actively  user by users" or another term to be inclusive of
> > >> apps not
> > being
> > >> distributed by public store
> > >>
> > >> Another question, how many users using your app in a monthly basis?
> > >> Is that important to know how many users is the app being used by?
> > >> Like I
> > have
> > >> one app but that one app being downloaded 1,000 monthly and used by
> > 50,000
> > >> users :-)
> > >>
> > >> - Carlos
> > >> Sent from my iPhone 6s
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 3, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I was able to update the survey.
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. I made some minor grammatical corrections and added some missing
> '?'
> > >>> 2. Moved the 'What do you love/hate about cordova to the end"
> > >>> 3. And added my plugins question. Which ones do you use?
> > >>> 4. Also added Dave's 'would you recommend Cordova' question.
> > >>>
> > >>> Conceptually, I am having trouble with this one:
> > >>> How far along are you in the development of your Cordova app?
> > >>> I added a 'How many cordova apps have you published?' question as
> > >>> I
> > think
> > >>> it more relevant. Unfortunately we cannot make 'How far along ..'
> > >>> conditional on 'How-many' being <1 because we are using the free
> > version.
> > >>>
> > >>> I *expect* that we will see roughly half of respondents have
> > >>> published
> > >> more
> > >>> than 1 app, which would make the 'How far along...' question moot,
> > >>> but
> > I
> > >>> could be wrong.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> My team is hiring!
> > >>> @purplecabbage
> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&dat
> > >>> a=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7ca0dc759ec823485986cc08d2cc7
> > >>> e9427%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ygxQ5M9xh2NY%2f
> > >>> GKr5eMEdWpaHVPZ5RrMFs6s6F0Yos4%3d
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Parashuram N
> > >>> <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Sure, I guess we will have to create a new account and put the
> > >> credentials
> > >>>> in SVN, right ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 10/1/15, 11:43 AM, "Jesse" <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So, I was not able to log in and make the changes.
> > >>>>> Can we change the typeform account login to not use google
SSO?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My team is hiring!
> > >>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=01
> > %7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa208d2ca90301d%7c
> > 72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=TXSgNNTM5c9GSN01I7SMlsCEWdB
> > cdeQT%2bBSnLLUX5Mg%3d
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave Johnson <
> > >> dave.c.johnson@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> we should also have an NPS question at the end of every
survey
> > >>>>>> sent
> > >> out.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "how likely is it that you would recommend Apache Cordova
to a
> > friend
> > >> of
> > >>>>>> colleague"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Jesse
> > >>>>>>> <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Yep, I'll do that.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> > >>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=01
> > %7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa208d2ca90301d%7c
> > 72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=TXSgNNTM5c9GSN01I7SMlsCEWdB
> > cdeQT%2bBSnLLUX5Mg%3d
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Parashuram N <
> > >> panarasi@microsoft.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jesse, did you mean I combine those options in
the same line ?
> > Can I
> > >>>>>>>> request you to edit the form directly ? May be
quicker. This
> > >>>>>>>> is at
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=Typeform.com&data=0
> > 1%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa208d2ca90301d%7
> > c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=lvNH9UyN%2bfVF9%2fm9%2f6vD
> > %2fQUrYtZNrPBLALmYJgw2DV0%3d
> > >> ,
> > >>>> and you can login via Google -
> > >>>>>> apachecordovabot@gmail.com.
> > >>>>>>>> Password in the SVN repo.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>> From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com]
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:40 PM
> > >>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Understanding the Cordova developer
better -
> > >>>>>>>> Cordova developer survey
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Something like this?
> > >>>>>>>> ===
> > >>>>>>>> Which of the following plugins do you use? Past
or present,
> > >>>>>>>> check
> > >>>> all
> > >>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> apply :
> > >>>>>>>> Battery StatusBar   Camera
> > >>>>>>>> Console Contacts
> > >>>>>>>> Device Device Motion (Accelerometer) Device Orientation
> > >>>>>>>> (Compass) Dialogs FileSystem File Transfer Geolocation
> > >>>>>>>> Globalization InAppBrowser Media Media Capture
Network
> > >>>>>>>> Information (Connection) Splashscreen
> > >>>> Vibration
> > >>>>>>>> StatusBar
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Is there a plugin that you wish existed? Or a third-party
> > >>>>>>>> plugin
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>> use all the time?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> > >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=01
> > %7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c972fcc7d0212468301c408d2c91ef8d4%7c
> > 72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=KUV8islGByJhnuHjDSYxFYflQe5
> > iKwFRqV%2fEdvsBXq0%3d
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Parashuram N <
> > >>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I have not tweeted about it yet. I wanted to
get feedback
> > >>>>>>>>> from
> > the
> > >>>>>>>>> folks here - we are indeed getting good feedback.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> @Carlos, I have moved the open ended question
to the bottom.
> > About
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> plugin question, I am waiting for Jesse's response.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:29 PM
> > >>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Understanding the Cordova developer
better -
> > >>>>>>>>> Cordova developer survey
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Have you tweeted about it yet? (Will help with
an RT.)
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Carlos Santana
<
> > >>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm with Joe on actionable items and with
Jesse on plugins
> area.
> > >>>>>>>>>> What plugins you have used, which plugins
have giving you
> > >>>> problems,
> > >>>>>>>>>> how often do you upgrade platforms and
plugins. which
> > >>>>>>>>>> plugin you
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>>> always getting that you wish should be
part of cordova code
> > >>>>>>>>>> (i.e push notifications, bluetooth, oauth)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 5:00 PM Joe Bowser
> > >>>>>>>>>> <bowserj@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to make it the last question,
and I'd change it
> > >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> general
> > >>>>>>>>>>> feedback.  Spinning it so negative
will just get negative
> > >>>>>> responses
> > >>>>>>>>>>> IMO. We can just read JIRA to get that.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram
N
> > >>>>>>>>>>> <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> @Joe - that is good feedback -
I was not sure about it
> > >>>> myself.
> > >>>>>> Do
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> we want to just remove the first
question ? The reason I
> > >>>> kept it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> open ended was
> > >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> see what things people really say.
What do you want to
> > >>>> change it
> > >>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> ?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015
1:49 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Understanding the
Cordova developer better -
> > >>>>>> Cordova
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> developer survey
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is way too open ended.
 The first question
> > >>>>>> shouldn't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> just be a giant area where users
get to talk about how
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> they
> > >>>> hate
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the project, or the committers,
or whatever.  We get
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> enough
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> that already.  What we should do
with this survey is try
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and narrow it down to actionable
things that we can
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> actually
> > >>>> change.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:41 PM,
Brian LeRoux
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <b@brian.io>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surveys remind me of that Henry
Ford quote. Doesn't hurt
> > >>>> to do
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them but I would not take the
responses too seriously or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> we will end up with a faster
horse. ;) On Tue, Sep 29,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015 at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 PM Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have had multiple discussions
on this mailing list
> > >>>> about
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova users and various
issues they have with Cordova.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we draw closer to the
Cordova Face to Face meeting,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought it would be interesting
to try to get some
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> data
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand our users better
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> when
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we dive deeper into some
of the topics. To this end, as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a first attempt,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> created a survey that we
could send out to developers
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
> > >>>>>> use
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova for creating the
apps.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is available
here at
> > >>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> f%
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2fapa
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=checordovabot.typef
> > orm.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa2
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> > fS6DjacNk%2fQm0AvYXBelCV8ilFSi5tv20%3d
> > >>>>>> %2fto%2fBCc5co.&data=01%7c01%7cpana
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ra
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> si%40
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=microsoft.com&data=
> > 01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa208d2ca90301d%
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> > ALumEl3ishqvbJFfU8%3d
> > >>>>>> %7cf16a647c798e4578855f08d2c90f87ec%7c72f988bf86
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> f1
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 41af9
> > >>>>>> 1ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qBau%2fNlzJWgXOjrOfLslc0IRWEQOAD5Zu
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OC
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FG68P
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> daI%3d You can use the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apachebot@gmail.com<mailto:apachebot@gmail.com>
> > >>>> credentials
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> committer
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN) to change the questions
or add more questions
> > >>>> directly.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The aim here is to understand
how they use Cordova, and
> > >>>> what
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they like
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hate about it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think
about doing this ?  - would this
> > >>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful
> > >>>>>>>>> ?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there more questions
we would like to ask our
> > >>>>>> developers ?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>
> > ======================================================================
> > >>>>>>>>> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
MobileFirst at
> > >>>>>>>>> IBM
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> > >>>>>>
> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamde
> > >> n.c
> > >>>>>>>>> om&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com
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> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>> T75IKEbzUxbvp2BtJtxxTPSLQI%3d
> > >>>>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
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