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From Brian LeRoux...@brian.io>
Subject Re: Cordova website redesign
Date Thu, 08 Oct 2015 04:15:07 GMT
Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 👍
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com> wrote:

> I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really stands
> out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know
> there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that reason I
> wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is a
> different story.
>
> Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your
> perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at
> conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme
> that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't
> change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova
> isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and improving.
>
> </mytwocents>
> rjs
>
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> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:tommy@devgeeks.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
>
> Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others thought"
> category on this one.
>
> I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no opinion.
>
> > On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we
> don't need it.
> > I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it.
> >
> >> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bradga@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry
> (his email is included below).
> >>
> >> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were
> raised.  This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown in
> picture A below.  Also, we may replace the background image with the simple
> gradient as shown in picture B below.  Please let me know if there are any
> concerns replacing this background image.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Brad Gashler
> >>
> >>
> >> A) New logo only
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> B) New logo and new gradient background
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:ben@ionic.io]
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM
> >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
> >>
> >> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the
> >> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still
> very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of confidence,
> love it!
> >>
> >> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I
> >> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution of
> >> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this
> >> early logo update mockup: regular
> >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni
> >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png
> >> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d
> >> 409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efA
> >> aM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d>
> >> / flat
> >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni
> >> c-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.p
> >> ng&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c5
> >> 1d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4Y
> >> ZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d>
> >>
> >> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the
> little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The
> existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but
> can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion is
> simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this case,
> Brandon Text <
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d
> >).
> >>
> >> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this!
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão <
> frederico.galvao@pontoget.com.br> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Looks great indeed, nice job!
> >>>
> >>> One thing I noticed is that
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro
> >>> je
> >>> cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micr
> >>> os
> >>> oft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7
> >>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d
> >>> seems very outdated.
> >>>
> >>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> This looks great.
> >>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page?
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord
> >>> ov
> >>> a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2f
> >>> sp
> >>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de064
> >>> 08
> >>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHank
> >>> Wf qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care
> >>>>> of
> >>> this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great!
> >>>>>> The community will love this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva <
> >>> ryanjsalva@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> TLDR
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign
at
> >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
> >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
> >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
> >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf
> >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile
> >>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified six
top
> >>>>>>> level
> >>>>>>> goals:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant
to
> >>> developers
> >>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some
rock
> >>>>>> star-quality apps
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of
tools
> >>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by
adding
> >>> quick
> >>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts
(e.g.
> >>>>>>> plugins)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility
of
> >>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e.
> >>>>>>> branding and content parity)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---- The long read ----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle
> >>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed
a
> >>>>>>> long
> >>>> series
> >>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three
months,
> >>> I’ve
> >>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has
> >>> collectively
> >>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to
share a
> >>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the
> >>> meantime, I
> >>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one interview.
> >>>> When
> >>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova
developer
> >>>>>>> responded:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove
that
> >>> it’s
> >>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it over-and-over
> >>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the same conversation
> >>> every
> >>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.”
--
> >>> Murali,
> >>>>>>> Cordova Developer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of
the
> >>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door.
> >>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years,
> >>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain
points in
> the community.
> >>> To
> >>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples
of
> >>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good
> >>>> development
> >>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So,
we
> >>>>>>> thought
> >>> it
> >>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on
the
> >>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long
as it
> >>>>>>> appears
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets
too
> >>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The
same is
> >>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top
of
> Cordova.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development,
it’s
> >>>>>>> hard
> >>> to
> >>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know
if
> >>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem.
We
> >>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate
how
> >>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger
> ecosystem (e.g.
> >>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding
a little
> >>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers
achieve
> >>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple instructions
for
> >>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And, on the Plugins
page, we
> >>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’ role in Cordova
> development.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff,
Cordova
> >>>>> Developer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay…  none of us want to provide customer support for
the whole
> >>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for people to find
the
> >>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate prominent
> >>> pointers
> >>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g.
Slack,
> >>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with
more
> >>>>>>> time
> >>> on
> >>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time
for a
> >>> change
> >>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer
need and
> >>>> little
> >>>>>>> risk in making the change.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site
> >>> launched
> >>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it
will be
> >>> easy
> >>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please
> >>>>>>> file them here:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f
> >>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205
> >>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d
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> >>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
> >>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
> >>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
> >>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf
> >>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva
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